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bayareabadger

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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2021, 03:09:41 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 14, 2021, 12:51:11 PM
They can have him. I'm all aboard the Mike Hart bandwagon.
As Michigan head coach?
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2021, 03:15:08 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on September 14, 2021, 03:09:41 PM
As Michigan head coach?
I would be happy af if Harbaugh left and Hart took over. Big believer in Mike Hart. I don't think it's a coincidence at all that these RB's/OL look better than they ever have under Harbaugh. Mike Hart's IQ for the game is next level. It had to be- he was very limited as an athlete. His vision, patience, smarts, and toughness made him one of the greatest RB's to ever play at Michigan. Despite being 5'8, 195 pounds and running a 4.7.

Harbaugh is a booger eating autistic retard weirdo with CTE. He can fk right off.
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2021, 04:10:16 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 14, 2021, 02:43:30 PM
Too bad you don't have any stones you could've made abundle.Now take a deep breath - for 20 minutes 😜

Keep me out of the sports betting banter, it's not my thing. I don't give a crap about the over/unders and the Vegas odds and all that boring nonsense. Never have, never will. 

Besides. If I ever do start betting on sports, it will be through my local sports book, not some anonymous message board guy whom I have no way of collecting from. 

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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2021, 09:18:00 PM »
Isn't this the 2nd or 3rd straight HC they've fired during a season?  Is that a good plan?
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2021, 05:10:10 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on September 14, 2021, 09:18:00 PM
Isn't this the 2nd or 3rd straight HC they've fired during a season?  Is that a good plan?
3rd straight. 

Kiffen after starting 3-2
Sark after starting 3-2 
now Helton after starting 1-1 

If they mess this next hire up, could be awhile before they recover.
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2021, 08:03:04 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 15, 2021, 05:10:10 AM
3rd straight.

Kiffen after starting 3-2
Sark after starting 3-2
now Helton after starting 1-1

If they mess this next hire up, could be awhile before they recover.
And the last two are P5 coaches again.  Maybe the problem isn't the coaches?

Aside from Pete Carroll, every coach since the first John Robinson tenure has been mediocre.

Ted Tollner (83-86): 26-20-1
Larry Smith (87-92): 44-25-3
John Robinson Pt. 2 (93-97): 37-21-2
Paul Hackett (98-00): 19-18
Lane Kiffin (10-13): 28-15
Steve Sarkisian (14-15): 12-6
Clay Helton (15-21): 46-24

Kiffin, Sark and Helton were all basically on par with what USC has been for 40 years now, aside from the Pete Carroll years
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #34 on: September 15, 2021, 08:45:48 AM »
Great coaches make great programs, not the other way around. 

Nick Saban would've made USC, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Michigan- anywhere he went great. Alabama was wandering in the wilderness before he got there. LSU was a joke before he went there. 

USC might have a self-inflated view of itself- but most blueblood/helmet programs do.

I also think the landscape has probably changed on them and they may never be able to recapture glory. LA is a megacity and USC football is an afterthought at best in LA. The campus is smack dab in the hood. Majority of LA doesn't give two shits about USC football. They have trouble selling out their stadium and getting tv ratings even when they're good. They bring in very little revenue compared to the other blue-bloods like OSU, ND, Bama, Texas, Michigan, etc.. Why is revenue important? Well, it's how you pay for top notch coaches & assistants and how you build up state of the art practice & player facilities in that neverending arms race.

The local recruiting talent base is incredible, but with the ease of travel with so many major airports in that area & cheap airfare to cities all over the country- staying home isn't really as important to most players anymore as it once was.

I feel like more and more players today want that kind of game-day atmosphere, college town feel that the other blue-bloods have that USC just doesn't have and never will have. And the facilities as well. Players want the facilities of Alabama, Oregon, OSU, etc.. Facilities that USC doesn't have and never will have.
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #35 on: September 15, 2021, 08:51:29 AM »
for example... top revenue producing college football teams in 2020

1) Texas - $156 million
2) Georgia - $123 million
3) Michigan - $122 million
4) Notre Dame - $116 million
5) Ohio State - $115 million 

USC? $50 million. 

Texas pulls in 3+x what USC does. When you make a lot more money- you can spend a lot more money on coaches, assistants, support staff, and facilities upgrades. 
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2021, 08:56:21 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 14, 2021, 04:10:16 PM
Keep me out of the sports betting banter, it's not my thing. I don't give a crap about the over/unders and the Vegas odds and all that boring nonsense. Never have, never will.
Stop popping off after the fact,you have mail
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2021, 09:20:55 AM »
SoCal fans were all about USC during the Carroll years. But most college football game are bandwagon in SoCal because basically zero (compared to total LA megalopolis population) actually attended either USC or UCLA. 

That said, USC's dominant run occurred when there were zero NFL teams in LA. Now there are two... And lots of Raiders fans.
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2021, 09:22:42 AM »
True, but I still think a highly successful USC would bring out the front-running bandwagoners in droves once again.  

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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2021, 09:23:11 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 14, 2021, 08:38:41 AM
Tom Herman is available. 
Really surprised he didn't work out,it' would have beem nice have the Horns back in the mix.On second thought.....
« Last Edit: September 15, 2021, 09:34:34 AM by MrNubbz »
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2021, 09:36:54 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 14, 2021, 03:15:08 PM
I would be happy af if Harbaugh left and Hart took over. Big believer in Mike Hart.
Harbaugh is a booger eating autistic retard weirdo with CTE. He can fk right off.
You've made good points this isn't one of them.You've just stated great coaches make great programns. Your AD certainly wouldn't consider giving Hart Harbaugh like numbers.There are better options than a position coach - even a good position coach.Hell it's even a stretch installing accomplished Coordinators - so many with promise have fell by the wayside just in the last few years.Unless he was given a contract loaded with incentives I'm not seeing it
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2021, 10:15:01 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on September 15, 2021, 08:45:48 AM
Great coaches make great programs, not the other way around.

Nick Saban would've made USC, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Michigan- anywhere he went great. Alabama was wandering in the wilderness before he got there. LSU was a joke before he went there.

USC might have a self-inflated view of itself- but most blueblood/helmet programs do.

I also think the landscape has probably changed on them and they may never be able to recapture glory. LA is a megacity and USC football is an afterthought at best in LA. The campus is smack dab in the hood. Majority of LA doesn't give two shits about USC football. They have trouble selling out their stadium and getting tv ratings even when they're good. They bring in very little revenue compared to the other blue-bloods like OSU, ND, Bama, Texas, Michigan, etc.. Why is revenue important? Well, it's how you pay for top notch coaches & assistants and how you build up state of the art practice & player facilities in that neverending arms race.

The local recruiting talent base is incredible, but with the ease of travel with so many major airports in that area & cheap airfare to cities all over the country- staying home isn't really as important to most players anymore as it once was.

I feel like more and more players today want that kind of game-day atmosphere, college town feel that the other blue-bloods have that USC just doesn't have and never will have. And the facilities as well. Players want the facilities of Alabama, Oregon, OSU, etc.. Facilities that USC doesn't have and never will have.
Michigan State too?

I doubt that. A coach like Saban needs to be at a blue blood to have success, in my opinion. 
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