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MrNubbz

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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2021, 08:52:40 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 14, 2021, 08:45:34 AM
So is Charlie Strong. :)
They'll swing for the fences prolly PC - so stout and solid,back to the basics
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2021, 08:53:59 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 14, 2021, 08:50:55 AM
Sure.  John Mackovic and David McWilliams are also not currently working as football coaches.  They're only 79 and 77 respectively, so they've got a few more years in them.
If they wait the season Sark will be available 

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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2021, 08:55:34 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 14, 2021, 08:44:43 AM
The old Blue Bloods are showing some rust, USC, Texas, Nebbie ....  Do you think they will be "back" any time soon?

One would guess UT/SC because of talent base should be getting back into the ring
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2021, 09:00:26 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on September 14, 2021, 08:44:43 AM
The old Blue Bloods are showing some rust, USC, Texas, Nebbie ....  Do you think they will be "back" any time soon?

Bama and Ohio State are clearly solid, ND is sort of relevant as is OU.

I suspect Nebbie is "gone".  Texas "should" be able to get back, I don't know about USC.



Texas is pretty much in the same boat as Nebraska already, and Oklahoma will be in that boat as well once they join the SEC. 
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2021, 09:00:36 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on September 14, 2021, 08:53:59 AM
If they wait the season Sark will be available


Nah we always stick with bad coaches for at least 3 years.
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2021, 09:03:08 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on September 14, 2021, 08:50:55 AM
Sure.  John Mackovic and David McWilliams are also not currently working as football coaches.  They're only 79 and 77 respectively, so they've got a few more years in them.
That's young.
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2021, 09:05:09 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 14, 2021, 09:00:26 AM
Texas is pretty much in the same boat as Nebraska already, and Oklahoma will be in that boat as well once they join the SEC.
Texas is still recruiting at a pretty high level.  That is a difference I see.  Whether OU can maintain I don't know of course.

I imagine a Blue Chipper in HS reviewing possible places he can go, and USC and Nebbie don't make his list, usually.

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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2021, 09:06:51 AM »
I think USC still has a ton of upside.  It's got to be at least as attractive to California recruits as Oregon, and Oregon's pretty good again.  

All it takes is the right coach, but finding the right coach isn't always easy.  Even Alabama went through three duds before hiring Saban.
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2021, 12:51:11 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on September 14, 2021, 08:12:19 AM
Harbaugh to USC!!
They can have him. I'm all aboard the Mike Hart bandwagon.
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2021, 01:01:45 PM »
Perfect gig for Matt Campbell. He'd go 10-2 every year, with one loss to Notre Dame, and one loss that costs him a conference title. 

Even though he can't beat his rival, it doesn't matter as much at places where the biggest rivalry game is OOC; as is the case at both Iowa St and USC. His inability to win a conference title is not as big of a deal in the CFP era either, particularly at a place like USC where you can rack up style points pretty easily. 

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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2021, 02:03:30 PM »
We all know it's recruiting and coaching.  Texas and USC should be able to recruit with a half decent coach, getting a good coach is the missing piece.

OK, after R and C, there isn't much left.
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2021, 02:43:30 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 14, 2021, 01:01:45 PM
Perfect gig for Matt Campbell. He'd go 10-2 every year, with one loss to Notre Dame, and one loss that costs him a conference title.

Even though he can't beat his rival


Too bad you don't have any stones you could've made abundle.Now take a deep breath - for 20 minutes 😜
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2021, 03:07:31 PM »

Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on September 14, 2021, 01:01:45 PM

Perfect gig for Matt Campbell. He'd go 10-2 every year, with one loss to Notre Dame, and one loss that costs him a conference title. 

Even though he can't beat his rival, it doesn't matter as much at places where the biggest rivalry game is OOC; as is the case at both Iowa St and USC. His inability to win a conference title is not as big of a deal in the CFP era either, particularly at a place like USC where you can rack up style points pretty easily. 


Notes Dame is not SC’s “rival”

and if you can’t win a conference title at SC, they will fire your ass.
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Re: USC fires Clay Helton
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2021, 03:08:39 PM »
Texas & USC both have huge upside. The problem is they either keep hiring the wrong guys or they keep firing guys too soon.

Nick Saban's, Pete Carroll's, and Urban Meyer's don't grow on trees. You can't realistically compete for a national title year in year out unless you have a guy like that at the helm. I don't care what program you're at. You need insane winners at the top with insane drive to keep it going. Newsflash: those guys are needles in haystacks.

Ryan Day inherited a Ferrari and while I'm still very high on him- looks like they might have a little hiccup this year if they keep giving up 30+ PPG. Clemson was an anomaly and I think after losing two transcendent players at the most important position in sports in Watson & Lawrence they will start to slowly fade to black.
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