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OrangeAfroMan

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US News P5 Academic Rankings
« on: July 20, 2018, 05:28:32 PM »
Skipping over the Ivies and other schools, here's the rankings of P5 conference "football" schools by academic ranking (2018):
1.  Stanford
2.  Duke
3.  Northwestern
4.  Vanderbilt
5.  Notre Dame
6.  Cal
7.  UCLA
8.  USC
9.  Virginia
10.Wake Forest
11.Michigan
12.North Carolina
13.Boston College
14.Georgia Tech
15.Florida
16.Miami
17.Wisconsin
18.Penn State
19.Illinois
20.Ohio State
21.Georgia
22.Purdue
23.Texas
24.Washington
25.BYU (I'll go ahead and include them)

Others receiving votes:
Syracuse, Maryland, Clemson, Pitt, Rutgers, Texas A&M, Minnesota, Virginia Tech, Baylor, TCU, Iowa




This popped into my head because I was wondering how far you'd have to go from Gainesville to find a better academic "football" school - I was thinking up to NC and TN, then west all the way to TX, but I forgot about Ga Tech.  Anyway, if you map these out, there is absolutely nothing north of Austin and between Wis/Iowa/Vandy and the west coast besides BYU (if you even include them).  Why is that?  
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2018, 09:55:21 PM »
surprising to me

Wisconsin below Miami and the turn over chain?
Texas and the Longhorn arrogance @ 23? 
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2018, 10:31:44 PM »
Imagine a world in which this top 25 got as much press as the football one did.
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2018, 10:49:24 PM »
I could live there

I'm actually disappointed that the B1G doesn't put more emphasis on the academic achievements 
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2018, 11:38:47 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 20, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
surprising to me

Wisconsin below Miami and the turn over chain?
Texas and the Longhorn arrogance @ 23?
Obsession noted.
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2018, 11:09:49 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 20, 2018, 05:28:32 PM
Why is that?  
Population Density.
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 20, 2018, 10:31:44 PM
Imagine a world in which this top 25 got as much press as the football one did.

Well ... first off we are in the wrong location, this is a football forum. There are academic/research forums out there (the ones I have contributed to are not public.) Those of us who typically bring up the importance of academics typically get poked fun at or dismissed here.
2nd ... Is it the universities fault or the general media? I can guarantee you that OSU releases 10x plus publications about academic achievements than they do on Sporting ones.
3rd there are different rankings out there, the US News one comes across as lazy, kinda like the old Coaches Poll, where you have your previous rankings, and you see if they won or loss over the last year and bump them a couple of spots accordingly.
Is the University of Chicago still part of the Academic Big Ten? And has John Hopkins been added to academics with their Lacrosse addition? Website seems to say no. https://www.btaa.org/about
Of note; colored me shocked that Rutgers is in the "others receiving votes" column. (US News has them tied at 69) One of my several knocks against them was that their academics was so low. I'm pretty when they were in the discussion for addition it was them and Nebraska (124) were the only 2 B1G schools that ranked in the triple digits. I'm making up a number here, but I thought they were like 104, so to jump 30 spots in 5 years is remarkable.
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2018, 11:16:10 AM »
It's not the school's fault at all.  And I know there's no one true valuation of quality of overall education, it's just for fun - like the AP football poll now.

I just wonder why there aren't really any schools like these between the Mississippi River and the west coast, besides BYUish and Texas.  Rice is high on the list, too, and there's Washington & Jefferson in St. Louis, but literally nothing else.  Is it simply a case of being the last area to be highly populated by the invading anglo-whites?  We populate the east coach first, then west to the Mississippi, then largely populate the west coast once it's discovered, then backfill the middle bits.  It's probably as simple as that.
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2018, 02:59:26 PM »
The list of public schools selected from that is also notable I think.

I would have had Purdue higher.

Two in Georgia is a solid showing I think.  UGA was not a very good school when I attended, but their Honors program was solid.  The ACC does well at the undergrad level, probably better than the B1G.
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2018, 03:00:56 PM »
Is Texas A&M a pretty good school?

I think Alabama is higher than most would think.
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2018, 04:06:48 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on July 21, 2018, 02:59:26 PM

I would have had Purdue higher.
Purdue and Indiana are both hampered by the deliberate strategy not to compete head to head academically.
So, for example, when they try to assess a pretty major post graduate program like a med school, Purdue doesn't have one.
Then, when trying to assess the engineering school, Indiana doesn't have one. 
Purdue is also lower on the list because outside its premier disciplines, it's not insanely hard to get admitted. A lot of these rankings consider selectivity a bonus. 
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2018, 06:01:51 PM »
UGA and Tech are the same way.
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2018, 10:45:18 AM »
ND is too high... Wisky is too low... Purdue and Texas should be above OSU...
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2018, 11:02:35 AM »
I don't believe these are strictly academic rankings. They are a composite of factors, and much of it is fluff.
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Re: US News P5 Academic Rankings
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2018, 12:09:10 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on July 24, 2018, 10:45:18 AM
ND is too high... Wisky is too low... Purdue and Texas should be above OSU...
I was under the impression that What Purdue did well, it did better than OSU; but that it was only "half a university" with several Colleges emphasized down at IU instead, and I think that hurts Purdue's overall ranking. 
I also was under the impression that OSU and Texas were almost mirrors of each other for undergrad experience, but OSU had an edge for Graduate Research.
Again, US News is a weak ranking system, I'm sure there are systems out there that have both Higher than OSU, but OSU has improved leaps and bounds over the Large State school that took anyone with a check back in the 80ies. 
Prepscholar has the 3 schools entry requirements listed as:
OSU requires a 3.8 GPA, and a 29 (out of 36) ACT score. 
Texas is a 3.75 GPA and a 1350 on the new 1600 SAT scale.
Purdue is a 3.72 and a 1300 on the new 1600 SAT scale.
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