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Topic: Urban to Tejas?

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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #112 on: November 29, 2020, 03:10:58 PM »
What does Vandy expect from a coach???

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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #113 on: November 29, 2020, 03:22:54 PM »
something better than 0-8
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #114 on: November 29, 2020, 03:23:27 PM »
What does Vandy expect from a coach???
Better than 3-17 across two seasons (gonna be 3-19 if all games are played.)

Up till then, he was fine. I mean, if a Vandy coach can go 5-7/6-6 for a while with the occasional 4-8/3-9, they'll keep you. 

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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #115 on: November 29, 2020, 03:25:14 PM »
They fired him for having that kickoff that didn't even make it to the 35.

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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #116 on: November 29, 2020, 03:33:47 PM »
A coach who goes 6-6 every so often at Vandy gets hired away.

Maybe you stack in 3 pastries as wins, Western Kentucky or whatever, but who are you gonna beat besides Tennessee?

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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #117 on: November 29, 2020, 03:34:45 PM »
They fired him for having that kickoff that didn't even make it to the 35.

Doubtful.

How about for having an offense so bad it only crosses the 50 for one play, and never even gives the History making athlete a chance to attempt a score.

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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #118 on: November 29, 2020, 03:48:08 PM »
A coach who goes 6-6 every so often at Vandy gets hired away.

Maybe you stack in 3 pastries as wins, Western Kentucky or whatever, but who are you gonna beat besides Tennessee?
Four pastries, try to get two from SC, Mizzou, Kentucky, UT.

Vandy coaches who move up have been interesting
Franklin won 18 in two years got PSU
DiNardo got two 4-7s, two 5-6s and got LSU
Steve Sloan got them to 7-3-2, flipped to Texas Tech
In 1948, Red Sanders had a top-12 team and went to UCLA

One may have gone NFL or FBS, I guess. 

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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #119 on: November 29, 2020, 03:53:33 PM »
They generally schedule one decent OOC P5 opponent that usually beats them.  But, a good coach could snare four OOC games and then two more in conference, it's been done.  Franklin may have been a real exception.


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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #120 on: November 29, 2020, 04:07:08 PM »
Doubtful.

How about for having an offense so bad it only crosses the 50 for one play, and never even gives the History making athlete a chance to attempt a score.
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #121 on: November 29, 2020, 05:19:49 PM »
So, just in the SEC:

Auburn - only a rumor, not official
Vandy
South Carolina

Possibly adding Tennessee.

« Last Edit: November 29, 2020, 06:22:44 PM by Cincydawg »

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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #122 on: November 29, 2020, 05:22:52 PM »
tough sledding for coaches down there

Harbaugh, Hermann, Frost, and Franklin have it better
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #123 on: November 29, 2020, 05:25:51 PM »
It means some fairly high profile openings are there ($$$) which means is some lesser programs fire their coach, they will have to dig deeper.

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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #124 on: November 29, 2020, 06:45:12 PM »
So I slightly disagree with this. Meyer was a very good coaching candidate, but he had two areas where he was a bit of a gamble.

1. At that point, no team close to that level had deployed that sort of offense. Yes, Oklahoma had done some early Air Raid stuff and FSU's basketball on grass had existed, but the Meyer spread option was considered still maybe a mid-major gimmick.

It had a bit of that "this might not work against the big boys" vibe. We know now that was silly and usually is, but it was out there.

2. He'd never actually had a semi-full recruiting cycle with a kid and coached that kid as a sophomore. He'd never coached a kid he signed as a junior. Yes, he'd turned around jobs, and Jim Harbaugh and Brady Hoke were .750 coaches in Year 1 and 2. We didn't really know what a long-term Meyer program even looked like. Shoot, Darrell Hazell's turnaround at Kent was WORLDS more impressive than the boost Urban gave BG (and debatably Utah), and he was so bad.  But we did see that after leaving BG, they continued their success the 2 years after he left.  

So there were some worries, but beyond those stints, the coaching world knew Urban's soft skills were off the charts. And it worked out. Saban was amazing because he created a structural change for LSU as a program, and his MSU tenure couldn't have predicted that.

(As for the anonymous WAC/MWC program thing, all but 2-3 are anonymous when you distain mid-major football, which as been your approach. Urbs, replaced a coach that got Utah a top-10 finish in the AP poll. He inherited a mid-major with a rare level of stability and solid success and a future NFL QB and put it into overdrive, which is a valuable skill, but he didn’t just discover some outpost. His BG tenure was interesting and slightly overrated in a way, but that’s another story I can share if you’d like.)  
Utah was in the grab-bag bin of G5 teams back then.  Colorado State had finished the year ranked in 2000, BYU, Toledo, Louisville, TCU....even BG the same year UM went to Utah and immediately had it in the rankings his first year.  THAT was something special - your new stop ends the year ranked AND your previous one does, too.  

Southern Miss, Air Force, Tulane...all these other programs had been ranked in the 6-8 years leading up to UM going to Utah.  Sorry, I don't see going back to 1994 for the ONLY time Utah had EVER ended the year ranked for some kind of valid support for the Utes program.    

That "future NFL QB" was a 2-star nothing recruit.  No, he didn't slip through any cracks, he had obscenely great stats and tons of recruiters in the stands to watch his teammate, Reggie Bush.  UM made Smith into a future NFL QB.  
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #125 on: November 29, 2020, 06:46:47 PM »
Did Meyer turn him into that, or merely allow his natural talents to progress as they would have anyway?

 

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