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Mdot21

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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2020, 12:04:04 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 28, 2020, 11:32:48 AM
It would be the ultimate flex on Herman, but the overwhelming speculation already accomplishes that. In spades.
Would be really funny to see Meyer take Herman’s job after all the drama that went down between them. 
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« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2020, 12:10:29 PM »
Yeah I don't care about any of that.  I just want to see better football-- MUCH better football-- being played in Austin.
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2020, 12:45:04 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 27, 2020, 10:18:12 PM
Texas' peak isn't any higher than Florida's or Ohio State's.  There are a group of schools this is true for, and all 3 are in that group. 
Well in the modern era (1980s-present) Texas has never had a coach anywhere near Steve Spurrier or Urban Meyer (UF) or Urban Meyer or Tressell (OSU).

Mack Brown was a heckuva recruiter, but as an actual football coach- he left a lot to be desired.
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #73 on: November 28, 2020, 12:48:05 PM »
Quote from: fezzador on November 27, 2020, 09:18:17 PM
Tuscaloosa is a pretty crappy college town, but I don’t think the croots go there for the atmosphere.


Maybe this is exactly the point you were trying to make.
College atmosphere helps. The proximity is more important. Alabama is very close to Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, and the Carolinas. And they get a ton of big-time recruits from those stats.

The top recruits are all bandwagon jumpers- they go to whatever team is winning at the moment. Alabama is always winning under Saban, but also it being very close to those talent rich states just makes it a little bit easier to get them to come. That was my point. 
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2020, 12:54:49 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on November 28, 2020, 01:06:43 AM
I believe winning with less talent is at times a different skill than winning with more. That state keeps burping out coaches, so perhaps one of them takes it.
This is a great point. Agree 100%.

Getting the 5* kids to buy in and develop and work their asses off like 2* kids or walk-ons just scrapping to make the team and get respect or playing time isn’t easy. Heard a lot of stuff about how Shea Patterson really didn’t work that hard at all and Harbaugh pretty much just looked the other way and gave him the job.

Saban and Meyer are masters of this. They get their 5* and 4* kids to play at or above expectation level. This isn’t easy.

Most super talented people don’t work as hard as they should and get by on ability. Sometimes being a super talented athlete can be a curse on a player.
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #75 on: November 28, 2020, 01:46:35 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 27, 2020, 07:08:25 PM
Yeah, because Herman came in and inherited a roster of 4 and 5*.  He's not a bad coach.  Any decent coach can win 8 games a year at Texas or USC or Michigan or Ohio State.  It's Year 4, and Campbell has Iowa State straight up better than Texas
I wouldn't say Iowa State is much better than Texas
the game yesterday was about as even as can be
Texas under Hermann is under performing

the problem is......... if Urban doesn't want the job, who is the slam dunk hire?
Perhaps Matt Campbell would be a great coach at Texas, but it's not a certainty

there doesn't seem to be many great up and coming young coaches that look like slam dunks 
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #76 on: November 28, 2020, 02:05:09 PM »
Yeah that’s a good point. There really aren’t any slam dunks out there. When Urban went to Florida or Saban went to LSU even before they became GOATs they were both seen as slam dunks based on what they did at Utah/MSU. There isn’t even anyone out there like that right now.
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #77 on: November 28, 2020, 02:29:17 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 28, 2020, 02:05:09 PM
Yeah that’s a good point. There really aren’t any slam dunks out there. When Urban went to Florida or Saban went to LSU even before they became GOATs they were both seen as slam dunks based on what they did at Utah/MSU. There isn’t even anyone out there like that right now.
I think you are revising history a little here.  I don’t remember Saban or Meyer being slam dunk hires.  Obviously good hires, but it wasn’t like everyone just knew they would be raging successes.  I think what Matt Campbell has done at Iowa St. is more impressive than anything Saban did at MSU.  Was Meyer any more a slam dunk hire based on what he did at Utah than what Frost did at UCF, or Fickell at UC?
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #78 on: November 28, 2020, 02:44:40 PM »
Meyer was, Saban wasn't. 

Meyer took a 2-9 Bowling Green team to 8-3 his first year. 
Then he took 5-6 Utah to 10-2, then 12-0.  The Utes had finished a season ranked ONCE EVER before Meyer.  They were an anonymous WAC program*.  He took them to the top 5. 
He's exactly who I wanted and we got him.

Saban was different because he didn't immediately improve MSU.  It took him 4-5 years to get them to peak in the top 10.  Idk what MSU was thinking, hiring a guy who was HC at Toledo for 1 season, but there, he took the 5-6 Rockets to 9-2 right away.





*Yes, they were in the MWC in 2003-4, but you wouldn't have been able to correct me back then.
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #79 on: November 28, 2020, 02:57:09 PM »
How much do you think a five star considers how cool the college town is in his decision criteria?

I can see he might consider weather as a factor.
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« Reply #80 on: November 28, 2020, 03:12:14 PM »
depends on the 5-star

kids are different in what they value
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #81 on: November 28, 2020, 03:14:46 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 28, 2020, 01:46:35 PM
the problem is......... if Urban doesn't want the job, who is the slam dunk hire?
Weiss or Pelini
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #82 on: November 28, 2020, 03:17:18 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 28, 2020, 02:57:09 PM
How much do you think a five star considers how cool the college town is in his decision criteria?

I can see he might consider weather as a factor.
Zero.
Every college town on up (in population) has a few night clubs and all the 'yes' girls they could ever want.
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Re: Urban to Tejas?
« Reply #83 on: November 28, 2020, 03:20:11 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 28, 2020, 03:14:46 PM
Weiss or Pelini
Matt Patricia is available
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