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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #882 on: August 20, 2022, 09:17:39 PM »
Everyone pay their fair share....unless they're too successful, I guess.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #883 on: August 20, 2022, 10:02:01 PM »
yup, Nebraska left the Big 12 which was unequal

and gladly joined the Big Ten which at the time was unequal

Texas was blamed
That's pretty much the size of it.

Hence my amusement at the current situation.


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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #884 on: August 20, 2022, 10:10:28 PM »
They are not. All new members of the B1G staring with MSU came into the conference on a probationary status, and not full members. When PSU was added this also included a reduce portion of the media rights until they became full fledge members. I read an article several years ago that Nebraska was now a full member, and assumed that the other two have been upgraded to full status as well.

EDIT: Did even you read the article?!? Rutgers is getting a reduced shared because upon entry they took out a 50 million dollar loan from the B1G, and the reduced amount is to pay back said loan. There is no uneven revenue sharing in the B1G, both Rutgers and Maryland are full members in status and getting an equal share of the media money.

EDIT 2: I stand corrected on the USC and UCLA probationary status. FOX has requested as part of the media deal that both school enter as full media partners in 2024. (Even if they are probationary members of the conference in other areas.) If FOX is writing the checks, kinda hard to say no, we are going keep doing it the old way. Curious, PSU isn't complaining about getting a reduce media contract for their 3 years on probation....

Come on man.  Nebraska, Rutgers, and Maryland all came into the B1G with reduced shares.  That's the very definition of unequal revenue sharing.  This is all well-known and well-documented-- table stakes for continuing the conversation.

Rutgers and Maryland put themselves further in the hole by taking out loans to cover the exit fees.  This was a double-whammy.  Entirely of their own making, for sure, but still an example of unequal revenue sharing,  that was then exacerbated by the loans. 

And yes, as you've now figured out, the whole reason this has come up for Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers, is that the same unequal revenue sharing is not being applied to USC and UCLA.

It doesn't matter to me one way or the other, I'm just noting the duality or, to put it less kindly, the hypocrisy.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #885 on: August 20, 2022, 11:35:29 PM »
That's pretty much the size of it.

Hence my amusement at the current situation.
I honestly don’t remember anything being said about unequal revenue sharing. 

The big one that I remember for A&M is that it seemed like there were lots of great Aggie games that seemed t not make it on tv whereas Kansas vs ISU would. Thus even though we benefited from unequal sharing a lot of Aggies felt the Big 12 was deliberately not televising our games or influencing the network. Please note this inasmuch not necessarily my opinion. 

I think long term equal revenue sharing is the best model. 

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #886 on: August 20, 2022, 11:55:59 PM »
I honestly don’t remember anything being said about unequal revenue sharing.

The big one that I remember for A&M is that it seemed like there were lots of great Aggie games that seemed t not make it on tv whereas Kansas vs ISU would. Thus even though we benefited from unequal sharing a lot of Aggies felt the Big 12 was deliberately not televising our games or influencing the network. Please note this inasmuch not necessarily my opinion.

I think long term equal revenue sharing is the best model.
Yes, ags weren't the ones laughing at the unequal revenue sharing.  For obvious reasons.

And I agree that unequal revenue sharing is problematic.  Again, hence my amusement at the current situation.

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #887 on: August 21, 2022, 07:37:13 AM »
Everyone pay their fair share....unless they're too successful, I guess.
Define "fair share" please.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #888 on: August 21, 2022, 07:53:28 AM »
The difference an elite tax lawyer can make shouldn't be enough to cover the cost of one.

Let's start there.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #889 on: August 21, 2022, 08:02:04 AM »
An elite tax lawyer is not needed to take advantage of all of the loopholes your almighty government has placed in the tax code.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #890 on: August 21, 2022, 09:47:28 AM »
That is true, it's rare that some brilliant tax lawyer finds some obscure loophole for an individual.  Folks use them because they income taxes are complex.

The loopholes in the code are pretty obvious and commonly used.

I also wonder what is our "fair share" ...

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #891 on: August 21, 2022, 09:50:39 AM »
That is true, it's rare that some brilliant tax lawyer finds some obscure loophole for an individual.  Folks use them because they income taxes are complex.

The loopholes in the code are pretty obvious and commonly used.

I also wonder what is our "fair share" ...
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(Seems like what some around here would suggest)

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #892 on: August 21, 2022, 09:55:02 AM »
Paying one's fair share sounds fair, I just don't know what it is when we tax income.  I've noted how easy it is for billionaires to have no income.

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #893 on: August 21, 2022, 11:59:07 AM »
Come on man.  Nebraska, Rutgers, and Maryland all came into the B1G with reduced shares.  That's the very definition of unequal revenue sharing.  This is all well-known and well-documented-- table stakes for continuing the conversation.
There was a 3 year probation period(for want of a better term) - that was my understanding.Maryland was literally in very deep finacial mess as far as the Athl.Dept. was concerned and never balked.i'm not against the BIG doing the same here, even a partial financial haul from the BIG is prolly better than a full haul from the PAC,just sayin'
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #894 on: August 21, 2022, 12:21:10 PM »
I'm guessing ND will ge an equal share if/when they join

if you deliver enough TV content and/or have enough leverage at the negotiating table, you get an equal share

Nebraska was willing to accept their deal at the time, now they'd like to see if they can weasel out a few more dollars

they probably won't get it, but it doesn't hurt to try

maybe Nebraska has an offer with the SEC?
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #895 on: August 21, 2022, 10:03:27 PM »
I'm sure he does.

A good starting point is the 1860 census because it lists both slave and free populations.

Missouri's slave population in 1860 was <10% of their total population which indicates that slavery was NOT a major contributor to Missouri's pre-war economy. Compare that to:
  • Over half: SC, MS
  • Over 40%:  LA, AL, FL, GA
  • Over 30%: NC, VA, TX
  • Over 20%: AR, TN
  • Over 10%: KY, MD
Just noticed the tag message for this in my inbox, Medina.

So, those stats would seem to indicate that Missourians had little reason to keep slavery legal, or to join in the rebellion to keep it as a permanent system.
But, by the 1850s, slavery was being defended (in all the slave states) more for social reasons than economic ones. There's a lot of primary-source material from that period that acknowledged that slavery was an inefficient way to organize labor. There was the truism that you could get more work out of a mule than a slave. Few slaves had any incentive to work efficiently, so most didn't. Their incentive was to avoid punishment. Many resisted slavery by "accidentally" breaking their tools, leaning on the hoe, etc.
But the social system, where the poorest, dumbest, least-educated white man could feel superior to every black man was very important for slave-state whites to maintain, even if they saw no economic benefit from the system.

You might find this interesting.



You can see where most of Missouri's slaves were--along the Missouri River.
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