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Gigem

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #812 on: August 10, 2022, 10:51:38 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 09, 2022, 08:58:00 PM
You're not good at geography.
Quite the niggle. 

How about this instead: 

Big 12 Member West Virginia shares no borders with any other Big 12 Institution States while Missouri shares a border with 3 other SEC states. 
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #813 on: August 11, 2022, 02:39:37 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on August 10, 2022, 10:51:38 PM
Quite the niggle.

How about this instead:

Big 12 Member West Virginia shares no borders with any other Big 12 Institution States while Missouri shares a border with 3 other SEC states.
It is kind of interesting 160 years after the Civil War that Missouri still has this cultural dilemma of whether they want to be considered part of the south or not. 

One of the slave states that decided to stay with the Union during the Civil War.  I always thought Missouri would be good state for a first in the nation primary in presidential election years.  Average in population and size. With both urban and rural areas.  Farmlands in north.  Ozark hillbilly area in south.  What an interesting mix of cultures.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #814 on: August 11, 2022, 02:44:54 PM »
Quote from: LittlePig on August 11, 2022, 02:39:37 PM
It is kind of interesting 160 years after the Civil War that Missouri still has this cultural dilemma of whether they want to be considered part of the south or not. 

One of the slave states that decided to stay with the Union during the Civil War.  I always thought Missouri would be good state for a first in the nation primary in presidential election years.  Average in population and size. With both urban and rural areas.  Farmlands in north.  Ozark hillbilly area in south.  What an interesting mix of cultures.
I did a little checking on their civil war role and I found some interesting stuff.  I'd like to hear what the more educated civil war historians on here think about it but apparently there was quite a bit of sentiment for Missouri to join the confederacy but Lincoln jumped on it early and got control of state gov't early and forced a kind of martial law.  

Obviously a quick and dirty reference From Wikipedia:

During the American Civil War, Missouri was a hotly contested border state populated by both Union and Confederate sympathizers. It sent armies, generals, and supplies to both sides, was represented with a star on both flags, maintained dual governments, and endured a bloody neighbor-against-neighbor intrastate war within the larger national war.
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« Reply #815 on: August 11, 2022, 02:48:43 PM »
Quote from: Gigem on August 11, 2022, 02:44:54 PM
I did a little checking on their civil war role and I found some interesting stuff.  I'd like to hear what the more educated civil war historians on here think about it but apparently there was quite a bit of sentiment for Missouri to join the confederacy but Lincoln jumped on it early and got control of state gov't early and forced a kind of martial law. 

Obviously a quick and dirty reference From Wikipedia:

During the American Civil War, Missouri was a hotly contested border state populated by both Union and Confederate sympathizers. It sent armies, generals, and supplies to both sides, was represented with a star on both flags, maintained dual governments, and endured a bloody neighbor-against-neighbor intrastate war within the larger national war.
I bet @CWSooner probably has some knowledge on the subject.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #816 on: August 11, 2022, 04:56:43 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 11, 2022, 02:48:43 PM
I bet @CWSooner probably has some knowledge on the subject.
I'm sure he does.

A good starting point is the 1860 census because it lists both slave and free populations. 

Missouri's slave population in 1860 was <10% of their total population which indicates that slavery was NOT a major contributor to Missouri's pre-war economy. Compare that to:
  • Over half: SC, MS
  • Over 40%:  LA, AL, FL, GA
  • Over 30%: NC, VA, TX
  • Over 20%: AR, TN
  • Over 10%: KY, MD

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #817 on: August 18, 2022, 08:32:02 AM »
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #818 on: August 18, 2022, 08:44:02 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on August 11, 2022, 02:44:54 PM
I did a little checking on their civil war role and I found some interesting stuff.  I'd like to hear what the more educated civil war historians on here think about it but apparently there was quite a bit of sentiment for Missouri to join the confederacy but Lincoln jumped on it early and got control of state gov't early and forced a kind of martial law. 
I know the James Boys were born & raised in Missouri and rode with Quantrill's Raiders and Bloody Bill Anderson. Is that a comforting narrative or what?
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #819 on: August 18, 2022, 08:46:33 AM »
They called'em border states for good reason.

Delaware was also a slave state, and didn't ratify the 13th until 1901.  It should be considered a border state as well, I think, using that metric.

Virginia and NC didn't secede until Lincoln called up troops after Sumter.  One could ponder the future history had Lincoln not called up troops and just let the South go.

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« Reply #820 on: August 18, 2022, 09:01:48 AM »
Most of their commerce was from agriculture and R.E.Lee was from Virginia,both states had strongly leaned toward the Confederate P.O.V.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #821 on: August 18, 2022, 09:03:13 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 09, 2022, 09:42:06 AM
nobody really wanted Mizzou

for obvious reasons

Iowa hates them, Kansas hates them, I'd be shocked if Arkansas doesn't hate them
Ya but they have such good "Q"
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #822 on: August 18, 2022, 09:05:04 AM »
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #823 on: August 18, 2022, 09:07:45 AM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 18, 2022, 09:01:48 AM
Most of their commerce was from agriculture and R.E.Lee was from Virginia,both states had strongly leaned toward the Confederate P.O.V.
Yup, VA was pretty clearly aligned with the Confeds before secession and they might have dropped out anyway.  NC was the last to secede.

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #824 on: August 18, 2022, 09:10:22 AM »
Quote from: Gigem on August 09, 2022, 09:31:56 AM
I guess I don't get that.  It's bordered on three sides by SEC states.  Kentucky, Arkansas, and Tennessee.  Probably not the greatest fit, but probably the best available school when the SEC needed that 14th team. 
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 09, 2022, 08:58:00 PM
You're not good at geography.
Well it does have borders with KY,Arkansas & Tennessee,so perhaps you teach Social Studies or Phys.Ed.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #825 on: August 18, 2022, 09:12:26 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on August 18, 2022, 09:05:04 AM
UCLA Regents may block move to Big Ten.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2022-08-17/ucla-big-ten-move-uc-impact
I doubt this will happen, but if it does, you gotta go with Stanford.
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