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Cincydawg · « **Reply #378 on:** July 08, 2022, 09:16:30 AM »

How fan experience, program success elevated Georgia gymnastics | Georgia Sports | redandblack.com

In 2019, Georgia ranked fifth nationally and third in the SEC by averaging 10,093 fans in six meets at Stegeman Coliseum. The SEC also has arguably the most accessible gymnastics on TV than any other conference. The successful TV broadcasts and above-average attendance records have changed perception and increased popularity for gymnastics at Georgia and in the SEC.

Gymnastics has grown into a valued tradition. Georgia gymnastics head coach Courtney Kupets Carter said good teams foster other good teams. With a powerful Georgia football team, she said this makes the teams around it want to be better.
“The SEC, in terms of football, already has this fun, competitive environment and nature,” Kupets Carter said. “I think it trickles down to every sport in the SEC.”
Both Kupets Carter and Conner believe SEC gymnastics began to evolve into its own with the help of two women: Suzanne Yoculan Leebern and Sarah Patterson.
Yoculan Leebern coached Georgia from 1983-2009. Under her reign, Georgia won 10 national titles and 16 SEC titles. Patterson coached Alabama from 1979-2014 and led the Crimson Tide to six national titles and eight SEC titles. These women earned back-to-back championships while building Georgia, Alabama and the SEC into gymnastics powerhouses.

Gigem · « **Reply #379 on:** July 08, 2022, 09:58:40 AM »

I probably posted this before, but I loathe how all the conferences are being split up (my teams move being the exception of course!).

I grew up in the Big 12. My first CFB as a student was also A&M's first Big 12 game-CU in 1996 (we lost). I was there when we went 6-6 in the first season, there when we reached the championship game in '97 to get stomped, there when we got revenge against NU in '98 and went on to win the Big 12 by beating #1 KSU (kinda sad that we ruined their one and only chance to win a MNC). I knew basically nothing of CFB before 1996, nothing about the SWC or any other conference. I kinda sorta knew about some of the other teams like Joe Paterno at PSU and Barry Switzer at OU and Darrel Royal at Texas, but just in passing.

The Big 12, in it's day, was a great conference. Sure it was a little spread out for some teams, but most of the rivalry's were regional. A&M and UT/Baylor were within a few hours driving distance. OU and OK state were not all that far. We had like 3 MNC wins (NU, OU, UT) and about 5-6 other appearances. I think I remember NU playing for the MNC in '01, OU in '04, '06, and Texas in '09. Hell even Texas Tech with Mike Leach was getting to be consistently good. Even the schools like ISU and KSU were fairly large state flagship schools. And KSU was pretty dang good for 10-15 of those years. A&M had a heckuva great team in '98, losing to Texas at the end of the season pushed us out of the hunt for the MNC but plenty of teams have lucked out and gotten in with less of a team. Heck, LSU won it all with two losses.

It was a good conference. Most don't realize it but aTm's leadership always wanted the SEC. We were looking to jump into the SEC in the late 80's/early 90's when it became apparent that the SWC was not going to be viable forever. We reluctantly joined after political forces intervened. This has been documented many times. Baylor never belonged in Big Time football. TCU does not belong either IMO.

Gigem · « **Reply #380 on:** July 08, 2022, 10:02:28 AM »

I have always believed that the OU/NU rivalry was nixed because at the time NU was so damn powerful and OU was a basket case. I know nobody from OU will buy that, but how else do you have two longtime rivals that let something like that slip by? The SEC manages to maintain their rivalry's. Alabama and UTenn play every year, even though UTenn has lost like 12 of the last 16. Maybe worse than that.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #381 on:** July 08, 2022, 10:06:55 AM »

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Tennessee football didn’t back down from No. 4 Alabama Saturday. But it still didn’t win, suffering a 15th straight loss since Nick Saban took the helm in 2007.
The Vols lost 52-24 in UT coach Josh Heupel first taste of the annual rivalry with the Crimson Tide.
It was a respectable showing for more than three quarters by UT (4-4, 2-3 SEC). But it remains the Vols' longest losing streak in their series with Alabama (7-1, 4-1), which began in 1901.

Gigem · « **Reply #382 on:** July 08, 2022, 10:16:31 AM »

I often wonder if this is going to end up like the Ma Bell/Baby Bell scenario's.

Not sure if you heard the story, but the Gov't decided that AT&T was too big and was a monopoly, so they split them up into regional telephone co's. The irony is that market forces eventually resulted in some of the smaller baby bell companies merging and eventually one of the baby bell's bought out Ma Bell (ATT).

If CU re-joins the Big 12, they've went full circle. A lot of people felt that they jumped ship too early in the first phase of realignment, and they really have not done much since. Let these conference operate spread out for 5-10 years, the powers will wax and wane, the small programs will get good and bad, but you can only inject so much artificial pep into a conference. At some point it needs to be organic. It's hard to predict what TV will even look like in 5-10 years. ESPN has been bleeding subscribers for the last 10 plus years.

For it to work, it has to be authentic. I just don't see USC and UCLA in the Big 10 staying authentic after a few seasons. At least with the SEC most of the schools are somewhat akin and have similar lineage. Anybody at A&M would probably feel right at home at Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, LSU, so forth and so on. We're more similar than we are different.

I think over time these issues will crop up. The TV ratings will be good at first, but then when real life hits and the fans get disinterested it will become hugely apparent that it was a mistake.

Gigem · « **Reply #383 on:** July 08, 2022, 10:21:47 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on July 08, 2022, 10:06:55 AM

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Tennessee football didn’t back down from No. 4 Alabama Saturday. But it still didn’t win, suffering a 15th straight loss since Nick Saban took the helm in 2007.
The Vols lost 52-24 in UT coach Josh Heupel first taste of the annual rivalry with the Crimson Tide.
It was a respectable showing for more than three quarters by UT (4-4, 2-3 SEC). But it remains the Vols' longest losing streak in their series with Alabama (7-1, 4-1), which began in 1901.

I won't lie, we had some rough stretches against some really good rivals. UT from the late 90's until we left the Big 12, and OU from the time Bob Stoops got there. I think we are like 4-20 something against them. But even winning once every 4-6 years is still much better than 15 in a row. And I think going beyond that, wasn't there like only one win in 5 in the immediate time before that? Heck our record of 2-8 vs Alabama in the SEC ain't great, but there are many teams in the same time period that are 0-10 over the same time period or even 0-20.

I am really hopeful that Jimbo Fisher can elevate our program. We've put the resources into it. I believe we are almost there talent wise. We need to develop our players better, and have better play at the QB position. It would be a really great day when A&M can claim itself SEC Champions.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #384 on:** July 08, 2022, 10:34:02 AM »

Fifteen in a row is pretty remarkable for two upper level programs. I don't know if there is a parallel anywhere.

I'm not talking about a Vandy.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #385 on:** July 08, 2022, 10:53:43 AM »

Florida had 11 in a row over UTK, and still 16 of 17.
That's tough times - penciling in 2 conf losses before the season starts.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #386 on:** July 08, 2022, 10:54:35 AM »

It's reported that FSU, Clemson, UNC, and Virginia are talking with the SEC. The internet is never wrong!!

Cincydawg · « **Reply #387 on:** July 08, 2022, 10:57:18 AM »

UGA is 10-2 over the last 12. The Vols had 9 in a row in the 90s.

The first two games in the series were split by 5-0 scores, and then a 0-0 tie.

But 15 in a row? By two major programs?

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #388 on:** July 08, 2022, 11:14:56 AM »

Yeah, there's usually a rogue wave in there, somewhere. Spurrier/Zook took 13 of 14 from UGA. But 1997 happened. Blind squirrels and what-not.

Gigem · « **Reply #389 on:** July 08, 2022, 11:16:52 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 08, 2022, 10:53:43 AM

Florida had 11 in a row over UTK, and still 16 of 17.
That's tough times - penciling in 2 conf losses before the season starts.

UTK-Is that what we're calling the first UT now? LOL.

And the really interesting part to me is that UT over that time period was really good as I remember. I can still remember all the hullaballoo about Peyton Manning's last year and how he never beat Florida. God Damn Spurrier really put it to them. Talk about rubbing it in.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #390 on:** July 08, 2022, 11:27:04 AM »

But Fat Phil Fulmer had a hand in Spurrier leaving to the NFL.
2001 was his last year in Gainesville and UT beat the Gators (somehow). That '01 team destroyed a 1-loss Maryland team in the Orange Bowl and finished 3rd in the country....but it wasn't good enough for Gator fans. That really irked Spurrier.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #391 on:** July 08, 2022, 11:35:46 AM »

Gymnastics is a pretty popular "sport" aside from the Olympics.

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