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FearlessF

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #266 on: July 03, 2022, 09:12:52 PM »
yes, but that didn't save the Big East, the ACC, or the PAC

they're all screwed
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #267 on: July 03, 2022, 09:14:20 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 03, 2022, 09:09:40 PM
ya know......

we agree much more often than we ever thought we would back in the 90s

but, it's all good

except that we're old

Well, I'm fuckin old

Well I sure as shit ain't getting any younger.

I think you and I would both go back, if we could, to a Big 8 and SWC of the 80s.  And if not that, then to an early B12, where egos were set aside (even Texas-sized ones, especially Texas-sized ones), because the early B12 was really a lot of fun.  I loved being in a conference with Nebraska.  The 95 Huskers are IMO, to this day, the single best college football team in history.  I was sad to see the market forces devour the SWC, but I couldn't believe our luck in getting to share a conference with the Dominant Huskers, and also our longstanding archrival, OU.

Of course, the end of NU-OU as an annual rivalry, was another fundamental problem with, and a very early crack in the foundation of, the original B12.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #268 on: July 03, 2022, 09:19:01 PM »
Quote from: RestingB!tchFace on July 03, 2022, 09:10:56 PM
Did not know all of that.  Sounds like it was just a dysfunctional thing all around.  The others figured out that sharing profits was in the best interest of the conference.
You are 100% correct.

Just yesterday, I read a column from a writer who focuses on one of the recently jilted PAC schools, lamenting that they didn't try to appease UCLA/USC with an offer of more shares of the revenue.  I just shook my head, because I know all too well that THAT isn't a solution, either.

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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #269 on: July 03, 2022, 09:20:15 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 03, 2022, 09:12:52 PM
yes, but that didn't save the Big East, the ACC, or the PAC

they're all screwed

No...in the end it didn't.  But those conferences also didn't have a mass exodus of teams openly pleading like starving orphans for someone to take them in.
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« Reply #270 on: July 03, 2022, 09:23:31 PM »
yup, we would both go back and it would be good

even good for TV revenue

the Big is a great stable place for $$$, but it's not the same as the old Big 8 or the Big 12.

And no, it's not about wins and losses.  The Huskers would be as successful or as unsuccessful regarding the win column in football in either conference

it's unfortunate, but with the dealings lately with the Sooners/horns and USC/UCLA moving - it was inevitable and really nothing DeLoss or Doc Osborne could have done to assure the long term success of the Big 12.

Texas is a huge TV market, but.......... not large enough to prevent today's dealings of the SEC vs the Big Ten
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #271 on: July 03, 2022, 09:23:48 PM »
Quote from: RestingB!tchFace on July 03, 2022, 09:20:15 PM
No...in the end it didn't.  But those conferences also didn't have a mass exodus of teams openly pleading like starving orphans for someone to take them in.
Well, there wasn't anything of the Big East left for that to happen, was there?

As for the PAC, we're already seeing Oregon and Washington begging the B1G like starving orphans.  

And the ACC?  It's really just a question of whether or not the B1G and SEC decide to carve them up like Sunday's turkey dinner.  It's just a matter of time.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #272 on: July 03, 2022, 09:51:39 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 03, 2022, 09:23:48 PM
Well, there wasn't anything of the Big East left for that to happen, was there?

As for the PAC, we're already seeing Oregon and Washington begging the B1G like starving orphans. 

And the ACC?  It's really just a question of whether or not the B1G and SEC decide to carve them up like Sunday's turkey dinner.  It's just a matter of time.

It's the unfortunate truth of conference realignment.  Some programs are going to lose.  And most of the college football fans lose too.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #273 on: July 03, 2022, 09:57:58 PM »
Quote from: RestingB!tchFace on July 03, 2022, 09:51:39 PM
It's the unfortunate truth of conference realignment.  Some programs are going to lose.  And most of the college football fans lose too.
let's stay positive
the rich get richer!!!
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« Reply #274 on: July 03, 2022, 09:59:43 PM »
Quote from: RestingB!tchFace on July 03, 2022, 09:51:39 PM
It's the unfortunate truth of conference realignment.  Some programs are going to lose.  And most of the college football fans lose too.

Yeah, that's the worst part.  
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #275 on: July 03, 2022, 10:02:05 PM »
and you'd think that would eventually hurt the flow of money
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #276 on: July 03, 2022, 10:17:54 PM »
If only Penn State had joined the Big East....
SEC, ACC, BE, B10, Big8, SWC, PAC + top independent = 8 team playoff, regional college football, playing everyone in your conf, etc.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #277 on: July 03, 2022, 10:27:15 PM »
well, PSU could have been the top independent spoiling the season for the catholics and the mormans
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #278 on: July 03, 2022, 11:28:55 PM »
The B1G is standing down for now because they are going to take Texas and Oklahoma before they jump to the SEC.
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Re: UCLA and USC
« Reply #279 on: July 03, 2022, 11:48:54 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on July 03, 2022, 10:02:05 PM
and you'd think that would eventually hurt the flow of money
I think eventually it will.


Universities are already seeing it in the form of declining attendance, especially among actual current students.  They've priced average fans out of the market, so dads who love the sport are no longer able to take their kids to games and form that lifelong bond.  When those kids get to school, they don't care as much, and they don't attend.  They graduate and don't take the next generation of kids to games, and the spiral of decline increases.

TV money is still there, for now, but if you're not creating new fans then you're not creating new television viewers.  The whole thing is bound to collapse on itself at some point.
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