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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #70 on: December 08, 2022, 08:20:58 PM »
So was Sam Howell at the same point in his UNC career
And this is why how many returning players a team has doesn't matter all that much.
UNC's case is funny.
Howell has a big year with 2 great RBs and good WRs.
They all leave, Howell returns.
UNC is ranked in the top 15, top 10.
UNC stinks.
Howell leaves.
UNC is unranked.
Maye comes in, plays as good or better than Howell.
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Rinse, repeat.
People are inordinately obsessed with QBs.  
QBs stink without all their fun toys to play with.
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #71 on: December 08, 2022, 09:14:20 PM »
May be an image of football and text that says '247 SPORTS UሉF o OSU WE DID A STUDY AFTER THE 2019-2020 CYCLE LOOKING AT FBS PLAYERS ON SCHOLARSHIP, AND 47.25% OF P5 SCHOLARSHIP PLAYERS TO ENTER THE PORTAL ENDED UP DROPPING DOWN TO FCS, NOT GETTING SIGNED, OR GOING TO JUNIOR COLLEGE. -247SPORTS CHRIS HUMMER'
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #72 on: December 08, 2022, 09:37:47 PM »
I agree with Marcus. Let the initial craziness settle down, give it a few more years. And let NIL settle down. Maybe even rich guys will grow bored of paying big bucks every year with the same results. I can see it kinda getting to the point where only a handful of great players are getting real nil money every year, like the Bryce Young types and the rest are getting low five figures. 

I read that a former OU TE is transferring back from USCE. Talk about full circle. 

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #73 on: December 08, 2022, 09:52:02 PM »
I'd think coaches would love the portal

easy way to shed scholarships from kids that aren't going to play and reuse them

easy way for a new coach to clean out the current roster of kids that don't buy in to what he's sellin

seems to be taking scholarships away from a good percentage of kids
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #74 on: December 08, 2022, 10:31:07 PM »
I'd think coaches would love the portal

easy way to shed scholarships from kids that aren't going to play and reuse them

easy way for a new coach to clean out the current roster of kids that don't buy in to what he's sellin

seems to be taking scholarships away from a good percentage of kids
The problem is with NIL, guys don't just leave because they aren't playing enough. So it also forces you to play true freshman who are ready, and would otherwise transfer and you have to recruit your own roster every year

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« Reply #75 on: December 08, 2022, 10:38:24 PM »
yes, you have to recruit your own roster, but you can also unrecruit your own roster to open up spots for kids you'd rather have
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #76 on: December 09, 2022, 12:23:23 AM »
Okay, so I have like 7 LBs that aren't walk-ons on the roster, and only 4 of them play.  1 kid stays because he loves it here, but 2 enter the portal to go play elsewhere.
Great.
So I get to bring in 2 other LBs who I think might play....but they don't know the system and left their own school either because they didn't play enough or want a bunch of money.
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I traded 2 known commodities for a guy no better than they were and another who is a chode.  And I'm not sure either will take playing time away from the 4 already contributing on the field.
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Grrrrrreat!
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #77 on: December 09, 2022, 07:26:06 AM »
If your team is pretty bad, swapping out, on average, should be an improvement.  A second stringer from an upper level team should help a lower level team and play.

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #78 on: December 09, 2022, 08:50:37 AM »
Okay, so I have like 7 LBs that aren't walk-ons on the roster, and only 4 of them play.  1 kid stays because he loves it here, but 2 enter the portal to go play elsewhere.
Great.
one of them ends up in the FCS
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #79 on: December 09, 2022, 08:58:32 AM »
I think the portal is helping about 25% of the kids that enter - they find more playing time or more money or just a better situation overall

about 25% find a very similar situation with different scenery 

about 50% end up in a lesser situation (FCS, JuCo, no scholarship, or struggling to learn a new system and again looking up the depth chart)

until the kids realize this or get better advice from parents and coaches this is just a better way for coaches to manage rosters
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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #80 on: December 09, 2022, 09:17:35 AM »
I'm guessing coaches often "counsel" certain players to depart and portal out, covertly perhaps, or with subtlty.  As noted above, it's roster management, especially if you can sign a premium freshman class.

"Hey, Ryan, hate to tell ya, but the HC doesn't think you are cutting it here.  You won't play much next year."

How much does the top player make off NIL?

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #81 on: December 09, 2022, 09:50:47 AM »
I'm guessing coaches often "counsel" certain players to depart and portal out, covertly perhaps, or with subtlty.  As noted above, it's roster management, especially if you can sign a premium freshman class.

"Hey, Ryan, hate to tell ya, but the HC doesn't think you are cutting it here.  You won't play much next year."

How much does the top player make off NIL?

They absolutely do.  In the business it's called "processing" and over the past decade it's been one of Nick Saban's greatest strengths.

Of course, it's pretty easy for him,  when every 5* wants to come and they all think they're going to beat out the next guy.  Normally "the market" would adjust and people would start distrusting the coach of a program that is so heavily reliant on processing/roster management, but these kids all think they're bullet-proof.  No amount of warnings from the guys getting processed, to the new recruits that are about to enter the meat grinder, can dissuade them, because they all think it can't possibly happen to them.

But NIL and the more open portal are going to remove some of that advantage from Saban and the other coaches that were so skilled at it.  As FF and others are pointing out, now there are more opportunities for ANY coach to do the same thing.

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #82 on: December 09, 2022, 10:00:28 AM »
Would a coach perhaps at some lesser program have benefit in offering four year schollys?

In return, you don't portal.

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Re: Transfer Portal
« Reply #83 on: December 09, 2022, 10:03:00 AM »
Im hoping in the future NIL will help against opting out for bowl games

if a player stands to lose a lot of money to opt out that might change his mind

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