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bayareabadger

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #504 on: November 26, 2019, 09:55:11 PM »
Yeah, there's a lot of filler when it comes to college football coverage. 

Personally, I'd like it to include more deep-dive stuff from the past, maybe tying it in to a player or team from the current season, something like that.  But the endless bowl predictions and other drivel must get clicks (I assume), otherwise they wouldn't do it.

It's more a lost opportunity than anything. Is there anything more useless than a website's own rankings?  The AP and Coaches polls are already irrelevant, but ESPN and CBS et al think we need their try at it?  Is it a race to the most irrelevant?

I understand us doing it - we're not doing it for mass consumption, but for each other. 
People speak with their choices. Both to the producers and to themselves.

If one doesn’t like bowl projection or ranking, don’t consume them. There’s always good content out there. You just have to look and read it, maybe even pay to get something better.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #505 on: November 27, 2019, 07:36:59 AM »
Yes, the various rankings are irrelevant, but such a part of CFB that we'll have them around for a long long time.  We have them in basketball for whatever reason (clicks).

I suppose there is something in a top ten finish.  I do think an 8 team playoff is still a ways out and would further make traditional CFB more like the NFL.  Money eventually will force the issue.  I'd guess most fans of CFB want a 8 teamer.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #506 on: November 27, 2019, 08:36:04 AM »
Many of the same people calling for an 8-team playoff scoff at the "everyone gets a trophy" ideology.  What do you think an 8-team playoff does?  It rewards (relative) mediocrity.  
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #507 on: November 27, 2019, 08:37:41 AM »
I'd prefer a 6-team playoff over an 8.  Five P5 conference champs plus one "at large".

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #508 on: November 27, 2019, 08:39:38 AM »
Committee explains why Ohio State jumped LSU for No. 1(CBS)

"That's the key piece," said CFP Selection Committee chairman Rob Mullens. "They're a balanced team. Strong on offense and defense. Obviously LSU has a very strong offense, but to date their defense isn't as strong as Ohio State's."


Another interesting part of this equation is the resume. Ohio State's is continuing to improve over the final month of the season, while LSU hasn't had that luxury. The win over the Nittany Lions gives the Buckeyes three wins over top 20 teams. 


With that said LSU has 6 home wins and 5 road wins were the rest of the top 4 are 7-4in that scenario

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #509 on: November 27, 2019, 08:41:51 AM »
What do you think an 8-team playoff does?  It rewards (relative) mediocrity. 
Agreed and to expand is a fool's errand .As stated before if that unfolds more Sunday bound kids will just sit it out
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #510 on: November 27, 2019, 08:51:02 AM »
It's gotta be the eye test.  I think LSU has the offensive edge over OSU, but it's not a huge one.  Defensively I'd take the Bucks all week long and twice on Saturday.

OSU-Michigan is going to be a doozy as usual.  I fully expect Michigan to pull out all the stops and give OSU all it wants.  A Wolverine win would be only a mild suprise in my eyes, they've been playing lights-out as of late.  I don't know if PSU exposed the Bucks a little bit, or if that was just a mental lapse.  If OSU comes out firing on all cylinders, it could get ugly.  If they come out a little sluggish, it's game on.

And don't discount the LSU-A&M game.  A&M is also a very dangerous team, and can put up some points on the Tiger D.  I fully expect LSU to win, but I won't be completely stunned if the Ags pull it out either.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #511 on: November 27, 2019, 08:57:32 AM »
Committee explains why Ohio State jumped LSU for No. 1(CBS)

"That's the key piece," said CFP Selection Committee chairman Rob Mullens. "They're a balanced team. Strong on offense and defense. Obviously LSU has a very strong offense, but to date their defense isn't as strong as Ohio State's."




Absolutely love this!
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #512 on: November 27, 2019, 09:17:22 AM »
LSU's wins to date of note are:

Texas - Looked a lot better earlier in the year, now, not so much, and the points allowed is interesting.
Auburn - Close win, fewest points scored by LSU at 23-20.
Florida - Good win over solid team, but at home, 42-28.
Alabama - Great win on the road 46-41.'
A&M - TBD, let's assume a win of say 38-28, solid win over pretty good team.

The points allowed here is what makes OSU top dog at the moment, I think.  OSU has very good looking wins over Cincy, Wisconsin, Penn State, all in C-bus, and nobody else has been close except perhaps MSU initially.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #513 on: November 27, 2019, 09:23:35 AM »
LSU's wins to date of note are:

Texas - Looked a lot better earlier in the year, now, not so much, and the points allowed is interesting.

Auburn - Close win, fewest points scored by LSU at 23-20.
Florida - Good win over solid team, but at home, 42-28.
Alabama - Great win on the road 46-41.'
A&M - TBD, let's assume a win of say 38-28, solid win over pretty good team.

The points allowed here is what makes OSU top dog at the moment, I think.  OSU has very good looking wins over Cincy, Wisconsin, Penn State, all in C-bus, and nobody else has been close except perhaps MSU initially.
As far as I'm concerned, neither Texas nor LSU deserve to be called DBU.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #514 on: November 27, 2019, 11:33:22 AM »
Many of the same people calling for an 8-team playoff scoff at the "everyone gets a trophy" ideology.  What do you think an 8-team playoff does?  It rewards (relative) mediocrity. 
People scoff at everyone gets a trophy because is a metaphor that can essentially mean anything is bad. It can be stretched and twisted and used weirdly and just about nobody is on its side. In fact, the only people who do think everyone should get a trophy or a certain sect of over excited and unbalanced parents. You know, the kind to write into the newspaper to ask their child‘s “world champion” U12 baseball team that played in a tournament of teams within 100 mile radius get recognized.

Anyway, to stop rewarding mediocrity, a good first step would be saying that if you can’t finish in first place in a pod of seven teams, certainly shouldn’t have a chance to play for the title of best team in the country. We’re taking some subjectivity out of picking the “best” teams.

I assume we can all back that, not giving second-place teams big ole trophies.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #515 on: November 27, 2019, 11:46:55 AM »

Many of the same people calling for an 8-team playoff scoff at the "everyone gets a trophy" ideology.  What do you think an 8-team playoff does?  It rewards (relative) mediocrity. 
To me saying "you couldn't win your conference trophy, oh, not even your Division trophy? Well, how bout a third try, because deep down we just think you are really special!" is pretty "everybody gets a trophy"

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #516 on: November 27, 2019, 05:31:22 PM »
People scoff at everyone gets a trophy because is a metaphor that can essentially mean anything is bad. It can be stretched and twisted and used weirdly and just about nobody is on its side. In fact, the only people who do think everyone should get a trophy or a certain sect of over excited and unbalanced parents. You know, the kind to write into the newspaper to ask their child‘s “world champion” U12 baseball team that played in a tournament of teams within 100 mile radius get recognized.

Anyway, to stop rewarding mediocrity, a good first step would be saying that if you can’t finish in first place in a pod of seven teams, certainly shouldn’t have a chance to play for the title of best team in the country. We’re taking some subjectivity out of picking the “best” teams.

I assume we can all back that, not giving second-place teams big ole trophies.

The old bowl system is pretty much the definition of "Everyone Gets A Trophy."  Previously, a full half the teams that made the D1-A college football postseason-- which was about 1/2 of all the teams playing D1-A college football--  all got trophies.  That's 25+ teams all getting trophies.

The movement to a CFP has actually ensured that 3 of the top 4 teams at the end of the season do NOT get a trophy.  If we expanded the CFP to 8 teams, then we'd be expanding that number from 3/4, to 7/8 of the top teams in college football, NOT getting a trophy. Seven of the 8 "best" teams in college football don't get a trophy.  When previously, 4 of those 8 would.

I have no idea how someone can attempt to extend the "everyone gets a trophy" mentality to the evolution of the college football postseason, when in fact it is literally and unequivocally a move in the opposite direction from that.


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Re: Top 25
« Reply #517 on: November 27, 2019, 05:51:05 PM »
To me saying "you couldn't win your conference trophy, oh, not even your Division trophy? Well, how bout a third try, because deep down we just think you are really special!" is pretty "everybody gets a trophy"
Again, if conference schedules were all the same or even similar, you'd have a point.  But they're reeeeally not.
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