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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #462 on: November 17, 2019, 10:53:42 AM »
cfr's SRS ratings:
1. Ohio St  10-0
2. Alabama  9-1
3. LSU  10-0
4. Clemson  11-0
5. Utah  9-1
6. Georgia  9-1
7. Penn St  9-1
8. Michigan  8-2
9. Wisconsin  8-2
10. Oklahoma  9-1
11. Auburn  7-3
12. Oregon  9-1
13. Notre Dame  8-2
14. Iowa  7-3
15. Florida  9-2
16. Memphis  9-1
17. Minnesota  9-1
18. Cincinnati  9-1
19. Baylor  9-1
20. Washington  6-4
21. SMU  9-1
22. Navy  7-2
23. Iowa St  6-4
24. Appalachian St  9-1
25. Texas A&M  7-3

This just takes into account MOV and SOS.  Nothing specifically about wins and losses or injuries or eye test.  It's objective.  I'm not sure most people can handle true objectivity, lol.
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For me, this would be a good starting-out point.  I'd move teams up or down from here based on injuries (Tua), quality of defense (G5 teams), and yes - eye test.  But the SOS and MOV are already done for us, so if you want a top 25 to nitpick and adjust, how about this one?
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #463 on: November 17, 2019, 11:00:54 AM »
I'm probably down on OU more than most because of their lack of defense.  But if they have a few games like the 2nd half vs Baylor, that would change.  That being said, I probably downgrade Baylor and Minnesota more than most, because of their overall talent levels.  They're not as high as the top 10 helmet programs' are.  That may seem like a slight, but it's actually just complimenting their coaching and systems in place.


I'm probably higher on Utah.  I just think they're good, and they're the only top team I can think of that has a true, physiological advantage at home (elevation).  That wouldn't matter in a playoff, but it can matter now.  I think Washington is better than their record, and they show up on here.  


The most interesting thing to me this year is Alabama and LSU joining the ranks of the wide-open offense - forgoing their uniqueness of having better players and knocking you over the head with them.  Their defenses have suffered, which was inevitable, but just as you couldn't simply man-up and beat them their way, they're now scheming like most everyone else, but with their stacked rosters.  I doubt Saban is enjoying it, but he did it, so he has to live with it.  
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #464 on: November 17, 2019, 11:05:00 AM »
If LSU stays at #1 for the next two weeks, they'd be the 3rd different #1 team Texas A&M has played (Bama, Clemson) in 2019. 
Maybe that's why they're not gung-ho for a 9th conference game....
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #465 on: November 17, 2019, 11:20:42 AM »
Doege...that name sounds familiar.  Didn't Texas Tech have a Doege?  Checked - his brother, Seth, was TTU's starting QB in '11 and '12.
That’s how WVU landed him.  Seth was the QB when Brown was the OC there.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #466 on: November 17, 2019, 11:30:10 AM »
If LSU stays at #1 for the next two weeks, they'd be the 3rd different #1 team Texas A&M has played (Bama, Clemson) in 2019. 
Maybe that's why they're not gung-ho for a 9th conference game....

Well Clemson isn't a conference game so that really has nothing to do with an 8-game or 9-game conference schedule.

But taking a look at the "quality" of their future OOC schedules, you can see they've ensured they won't ever have to worry about THIS problem again.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #467 on: November 17, 2019, 11:55:05 AM »
The rankings don’t mean all that much yet..  I would have LSU at 1, but after that...well I am just glad I don’t have that job.

Now, it is going to get very interesting.  It is looking highly likely that both the Big 12 and the PAC 10 will have one-loss conference champs.

It is also highly possible in the Big Ten. If either Penn State were to win out ( decent odds) or Minnesota ( maybe a less likely scenario), or if Ohio State were to beat Penn State, but lose to Michigan ( a very real scenario in my book, bordering on likely), and win the Big Ten CG.

Clemson is a lock to go undefeated.  LSU might too, but they could lose to Georgia.

That’s where it will get interesting. There might be as many as 4 one loss conference champs from the power 5.  Obviously, that SHOULD eliminate any non conference champs from being considered, but it likely won’t. 
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #468 on: November 17, 2019, 12:06:13 PM »
The entire country will be LSU fans watching the SECCG.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #469 on: November 17, 2019, 12:25:40 PM »
Why Ohio State football has broken the College Football Playoff

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2019/11/why-ohio-state-football-has-broken-the-college-football-playoff-but-can-make-it-easy-this-year.html


That’s interesting.

It’s worth noting that any system will have weirdness at the edge. OSU being in the middle of it is kinda cool, but I’d argue he’s mildly overstating 2015 and 2017. 2016 was gonna happen and 2018 is honestly the most interesting.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #470 on: November 17, 2019, 12:40:57 PM »
If it plays out, Georgia/LSU would be interesting. Georgia plays defense and LSU gives up a lot of points. I think I'd have to go with the defense, but I'm like that.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #471 on: November 17, 2019, 01:30:45 PM »
LSU hosts Arkansas and A&M, having to beat only one to win the West.  I think we can call that a gimme.

I'd have more confidence in UGA's offense if they could get more separation with the WRs.  Nearly every down I see everyone closely covered.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #472 on: November 19, 2019, 01:23:22 PM »

  • Ohio State (1)
  • LSU (2)
  • Clemson (3)
  • Georgia (9)
  • Alabama (5)
  • Penn State (4)
  • Oregon (6)
  • Utah (11)
  • Oklahoma (10)
  • Florida (14)
  • Wisconsin (13)
  • Michigan (15)
  • Auburn (8)
  • Baylor (12)
  • Notre Dame (16)
  • Minnesota (7)
  • Cincinnati (17)
  • Iowa (19)
  • Memphis (20)
  • SMU (21)
  • Oklahoma State (23)
  • Appalachian State (-)
  • Texas A&M (-)
  • Boise State (25)
  • USC (-)















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Re: Top 25
« Reply #473 on: November 19, 2019, 01:45:32 PM »
I have a hunch we don't end the regular season with 3 teams undefeated (counting CGs).

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #474 on: November 19, 2019, 01:48:41 PM »
Apropos of nothing at all, Ohio State leads FBS in total defense.

Clemson is #2, Utah #3, Wisconsin #4, Michigan #5, Georgia #6.

Iowa is #12, Florida #13, Oregon #14.

Penn State is #17.

Auburn is #24, Texas A&M #25, TCU #26, Alabama #27.

Michigan State is #31, Northwestern #33.

Oklahoma is #36, Baylor #40, Iowa State #41, Kansas State #43.

LSU is #47.  Probably auditioning for membership in the Big 12, where nobody knows how to play defense the way SEC teams play it.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #475 on: November 19, 2019, 01:54:31 PM »
Apropos of nothing at all, Ohio State leads FBS in total defense.

Clemson is #2, Utah #3, Wisconsin #4, Michigan #5, Georgia #6.

Iowa is #12, Florida #13, Oregon #14.

Penn State is #17.

Auburn is #24, Texas A&M #25, TCU #26, Alabama #27.

Michigan State is #31, Northwestern #33.

Oklahoma is #36, Baylor #40, Iowa State #41, Kansas State #43.

LSU is #47.  Probably auditioning for membership in the Big 12, where nobody knows how to play defense the way SEC teams play it.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22?scrlybrkr=8a809eab
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