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MrNubbz

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #266 on: November 12, 2019, 06:10:42 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on November 12, 2019, 03:59:32 PM
I'm not arguing that any of this is right.  I am saying I don't think Alabama being out of it even if these other teams keep winning is as clear cut as you seem to think.  I wouldn't like it if they got in, but I don't get a vote. 
In previous years they were coming off of a NC and always got the benefit of the doubt.Last year that Dusey got sandblasted.No more gift wrapped mulligans.If LSU wins out, the Tide will not be a participant in the title game in Atlanta.The CFP committee will have a hard time justifying Bama in as a 1 loss non conference champion over other conference champions.We already know the Tide is not as good as LSU.We can't say that about other programs - it's why they play the games - just win Baby



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Re: Top 25
« Reply #267 on: November 12, 2019, 06:13:22 PM »
I do think Bama is better than LSU with a healthy Tua.  I did not think that before they played the game.

I am a bit weird though, and I do NOT think Bama should make the playoff barring real weirdness.

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« Reply #268 on: November 12, 2019, 06:23:22 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on November 12, 2019, 04:38:23 PM
It could be.


Just as an LSU fan I remember very well the circumstances of Alabama vs. Oklahoma State in 2011.  Both ended the regular season 11-1.  OSU had more wins vs. ranked teams than Alabama.  OSU was the Big 12 Conference Champion, Alabama did not win the SEC.  (All six BCS computers favored OSU as well, but we're talking about voters here, so never mind that.)  Also, Alabama had already lost to the team that was definitely in, LSU.  OSU, if nothing else, had not demonstrated they could lose to LSU on their own field. 

But of course, all we heard was Alabama had a better loss.  Losing to LSU, at home, close, was deemed better than losing to Iowa St., on the road, close.  They ignored conference crowns and they ignored SOS and quality wins and went with the singular data point of each team's loss (which I do admit Alabama's loss was better, but it's also worth remembering for posterity's sake that OSU team had just suffered the tragedy with their basketball team and that entire campus was hurting, let alone the guys on the football team who eat, lift weights, and hang out with guys from the other sports teams). 

So I'm not so sure that "better wins" counts for as much as it should, or we want it to. 

I don't know that Alabama will make it in if everybody wins out.....but I certainly wouldn't be surprised. 

True.  But back then, the Big 12 didn't have a conference championship game.  That would be one more win against another high end opponent to add to the resume.  I'm also betting that Alabama's wins were far more impressive that year than they'll end up being this year. 

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #269 on: November 12, 2019, 06:25:01 PM »
Bama would have beaten ... Auburn ... and A&M ... and Tennessee.

Their best win is a close loss to LSU.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #270 on: November 12, 2019, 06:33:24 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 12, 2019, 06:00:29 PM
If everyone wins out from here:

Clemson 13-0
LSU 13-0
OSU-Minnesota 13-0

We all agree those would be locks.

Utah/Oregon 12-1
Baylor 13-0

Alabama 11-1

Alabama would have zero shot if this happened.
Ehhhh.....have you been paying attention that last 10 years?
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« Reply #271 on: November 12, 2019, 06:35:01 PM »
5 years ago Ohio State with a 3rd string quarterback beat the Tide,6 years ago The Sooners beat the Tide - both in the post season.both as Dogs.The false narrative being foisted on the rooting public must stop.Bama got a chance and blew it - they can go watch the playoffs with the rest of America - provided the conference leaders win out
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #272 on: November 12, 2019, 06:40:52 PM »
Quote from: RestingB!tchFace on November 12, 2019, 01:57:55 PM
You weren't trying to make larger points.  You came in hot with "Alabama would be the best one loss team".  I'm paraphrasing, but you said it.  And recruiting info doesn't matter either.  I can't understand how you think that should be a determining factor at all.

Yeah, this is how I know we're polar opposites.  First, you misconstrue my every post.  I never said recruiting info SHOULD be a determining factor, but that it plays into giving the most talented teams the benefit of the doubt (a la Alabama).  I'm describing what the committee has shown it's likely to do, and you're dwelling on this or that "should" or should not happen.




You seem to think this is all about resume only and it's reeeeeeally not.  Right or wrong, helmets matter.  We could argue that conference affiliation matters (I'm sure it does) and whether that's fair or not (from season to season, it's not).  But you're not being realistic here.  The committee doesn't view Alabama's loss to LSU as "they got their shot".  They view it as a data point.  Another way I know we're polar opposites is when you say things like "LSU is better than Alabama" based on that one game.  If that was factually true, then upsets never happen.  Kansas State is better than OU.  South Carolina is better than Georgia.  It's flawed logic.  We can say LSU beat Alabama (a fact), but we cannot say LSU is better than Alabama (because it's an opinion).


I'm glad we're debating here and I appreciate your willingness to keep at it.  We can both think the other is nuts and continue debating.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #273 on: November 12, 2019, 06:41:48 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 12, 2019, 06:00:29 PM
If everyone wins out from here:

Clemson 13-0
LSU 13-0
OSU-Minnesota 13-0

We all agree those would be locks.

Utah/Oregon 12-1
Baylor 13-0

Alabama 11-1

Alabama would have zero shot if this happened.

Even the loser of that Minnesota/OSU matchup would have a better case than Alabama.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #274 on: November 12, 2019, 06:44:34 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 12, 2019, 06:35:01 PM
5 years ago Ohio State with a 3rd string quarterback beat the Tide,6 years ago The Sooners beat the Tide - both in the post season.both as Dogs.The false narrative being foisted on the rooting public must stop.Bama got a chance and blew it - they can go watch the playoffs with the rest of America - provided the conference leaders win out
Comments like this make people like me (no love for Bama) have to step in and defend them.  Let's let the season play out.  Say it's LSU, Clemson, and OSU at 13-0, then we have 13-0 Baylor and 11-1 Alabama.  
There will be a ton of reasons to pick Baylor there - conference champion, no losses, better wins...all of that.  But when you look at their rosters, there's an equally large discrepancy in perceived talent level.  This is the dangerous part to the committee's criteria of picking "the 4 best teams".  This is why Alabama gets a waiver more often than not.  It's talent level is elite.  


I'm not saying I agree with the notion of it mattering, but with the criteria being known and their goal being out there....don't be surprised if......
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #275 on: November 12, 2019, 06:46:10 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 12, 2019, 06:40:52 PM
 We can say LSU beat Alabama (a fact), but we cannot say LSU is better than Alabama (because it's an opinion).
Um,No the rest of the Country usually goes by the scoreboard - hence the better TEAM,pretty simple stuff
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« Reply #276 on: November 12, 2019, 06:48:03 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on November 12, 2019, 06:00:29 PM
If everyone wins out from here:

Clemson 13-0
LSU 13-0
OSU-Minnesota 13-0

We all agree those would be locks.

Utah/Oregon 12-1
Baylor 13-0

Alabama 11-1

Alabama would have zero shot if this happened.
You could throw out the PAC-12 champ in this scenario:  Alabama would have beaten the team that beat Oregon (Auburn) and Utah lost to a bad USC team.  Fair or not, just call it a prediction.

I would hope Baylor would get the nod over Alabama here, and they probably would, but I wouldn't put money on it.
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« Reply #277 on: November 12, 2019, 06:48:41 PM »
No more do-overs Bama got waxed last January and lost convincingly last week.In Baton Rouge that's at least a 10 pt win - K - Gary Danielson.You do know  what the words win & lose mean right?That's context,sometimes I feel I'm speaking Latin to a Zulu
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #278 on: November 12, 2019, 06:50:15 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 12, 2019, 06:46:10 PM
Um,No the rest of the Country usually goes by the scoreboard - hence the better TEAM,pretty simple stuff
Fantastic, thanks for settling it for us.  Upsets don't exist.
KSU is better than OU.
The Citadel is better than GA Tech.
Illinois is better than Wisconsin.
Georgia State is better than Tennessee.
South Carolina is better than Georgia.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #279 on: November 12, 2019, 06:51:11 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 12, 2019, 06:48:41 PM
No more do-overs Bama got waxed last January and lost convincingly last week.In Baton Rouge that's at least a 10 pt win - K - Gary Danielson.You do know  what the words win & lose mean right?That's context,sometimes I feel I'm speaking Latin to a Zulu
Yeah, you shouldn't be in charge of deciding any of this.  How does a game from the 2018 season matter in the slightest?  And the "what if" the venue was different game......sheesh.
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