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bayareabadger

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #196 on: November 11, 2019, 11:20:55 PM »
I understand that.  But Minnesota was going to be playing Penn State that very week.  It just seems like an easier sell to have them higher to begin and move them down when they lose....rather than have to justify leaping them over other teams that won....effectively dropping them.  If the committee would have had both them and Baylor ranked above all the two loss teams, nobody would have batted an eyelash.  Now it seems likely that the Gophers will make the largest one week jump into the top ten in the CFP rankings relatively short history.

But really....be consistent with the rankings.  Again....I still think the schedule thing is overblown and perception plays too big a factor.  Look at Wisconsin at #13.  They've got two losses.  Their best win is over a good but not great Michigan team.  And they have a loss to Illinois.....a team that Minnesota dismantled.

And not dominant enough?  Anybody who's been paying any attention has recognized that Minnesota has been getting better and better as the season has gone on.  In the prior four games to the Penn State game, the Gophers outscored their opponents 168 to 41.  Their first string defense scored more touchdowns than they allowed over those four games.  Nebraska scored their only touchdown against the second string.  And Illinois's two touchdowns came on defense.
The first graph assumes the committee is building the rankings with an eye toward contingencies. That requires some galaxy brain stuff because they'd have to do it for everyone, and even if they did, most folks would still flip out. That's how rankings work. People flip out. The flip out when the undefeateds are too low, and they get salty like OAM when the No. 2 team doesn't have two losses and a few undefeateds aren't outside the top 20.

The schedule thing was what it was. They played a lot of not good teams. And they played super close to half of them. i get that they blew out half the teams, but that means they didn't blow out the other half. They played those teams super close. 

In the end, there will always be holes to poke in rankings because their logic cannot hold. They cannot meet all standards all at once. I'm at a point where I say, if it's not egregious, if there's a perfectly solid reason for why a team is where it is, whatever, it doesn't actually count at all. 

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« Reply #197 on: November 11, 2019, 11:21:49 PM »
It's obviously safe to say there is SEC bias.  BUT, there is reason for it.  I'm not saying it's correct, but it's understandable.  
But the real point is that there can be SEC bias AND the SEC can have more strong teams than the other conferences.



This false radicalization of extremes keeps popping up among numerous topics here.  But it doesn't belong.  
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #198 on: November 11, 2019, 11:22:41 PM »
Technically, it is the penultimate poll that "matters" in terms of who makes the CFP.
I mean, that's the final CFP poll. 

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« Reply #199 on: November 11, 2019, 11:25:43 PM »
This false radicalization of extremes keeps popping up among numerous topics here.  But it doesn't belong. 
We'll find out tommorow nite from the sources that count
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« Reply #200 on: November 11, 2019, 11:26:11 PM »
Hmmm..
If Alabama should be omitted from the CFP for losing to LSU, then why should a 1-loss B10 or XII champ get in?  Whoever they lost to should get that spot, no?

By this 'interesting' logic, Alabama is extra-penalized for losing to a great team.  Meanwhile, if they had lost to Texas A&M and won the SEC, everyone here would include them with joy.  That's weird.

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« Reply #201 on: November 11, 2019, 11:31:24 PM »
I was not a playoff advocate.  I only prefer the 4-team playoff because the alternative is one with 8 teams, which would lead in time to 16.

But one of the big pro-playoff arguments was that with a playoff, who's better is settled on the field.  Except, it's not.
Well it sort of is,because IMO that's as long as NFL bound kids will play - and I don't blame them
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #202 on: November 11, 2019, 11:36:08 PM »
Hmmm..
If Alabama should be omitted from the CFP for losing to LSU, then why should a 1-loss B10 or XII champ get in?  Whoever they lost to should get that spot, no?

By this 'interesting' logic, Alabama is extra-penalized for losing to a great team.  Meanwhile, if they had lost to Texas A&M and won the SEC, everyone here would include them with joy.  That's weird.

All those other teams will have beaten another really good team to go 13-1.  Resumes matter and Alabama's is going to stink like your argument.

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« Reply #203 on: November 11, 2019, 11:37:07 PM »
Hmmm..
If Alabama should be omitted from the CFP for losing to LSU, then why should a 1-loss B10 or XII champ get in?  

For one as noted - at home with 2 weeks to prepare.They got waxed in last years Play Off so no press play of invincibility,and they will not have won conference as the other squads presented would have won out.They're pretty good but have used up their allocations on mulligans - just win,Baby
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« Reply #204 on: November 11, 2019, 11:38:31 PM »
I'm not pro-Alabama, I'm explaining that it makes sense for them to be included at 11-1 when the committee's goal is the 4 best teams.  This isn't complicated, despite the pages and pages of posts.  Whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter.
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« Reply #205 on: November 11, 2019, 11:40:30 PM »
For one as noted - at home with 2 weeks to prepare.They got waxed in last years Play Off so no press play of invincibility,and they will not have won conference as the other squads presented would have won out.They're pretty good but have used up their allocations on mulligans - just win,Baby
Okay, let's do a 1-question quiz:

Winning the ACC with no losses is _______ compared to going 11-1 in the SEC in 2019?

a)  better
b)  more impressive
c)  both a & b
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« Reply #206 on: November 11, 2019, 11:43:16 PM »
I'm not pro-Alabama, I'm explaining that it makes sense for them to be included at 11-1 when the committee's goal is the 4 best teams.  This isn't complicated, despite the pages and pages of posts.  Whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter.

Sorry....but the playoffs don't need Alabama.  They already lost to LSU on their home turf.  That was their playoff.  They aren't one of the best four teams.  Sorry....but the playoffs don't need Alabama.  Time for other teams that proved themselves on the field to take a shot.  We don't need Alabama getting mopped up by Clemson again anyways.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #207 on: November 11, 2019, 11:44:11 PM »
Sorry....but the playoffs don't need Alabama.  They already lost to LSU on their home turf.  That was their playoff.  They aren't one of the best four teams.  Sorry....but the playoffs don't need Alabama.  Time for other teams that proved themselves on the field to take a shot.  We don't need Alabama getting mopped up by Clemson again anyways.
Yeeeesh.  Not touching this one.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #208 on: November 11, 2019, 11:46:43 PM »
Per strength of record, it is more impressive.  Hell, having 2 losses with Florida's schedule is more impressive.if you are going to simplify it down to W/L

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #209 on: November 11, 2019, 11:48:23 PM »
I'm not pro-Alabama, I'm explaining that it makes sense for them to be included at 11-1 when the committee's goal is the 4 best teams.  This isn't complicated, despite the pages and pages of posts.  Whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter.
What's wrong are your assumptions.We have a narrow sample sizes,they had had their chance they blew it.Since they don't play the other schedules we including you don't know.Pages and pages don't neccessarily agree with you,Bama can wait for others to lose.Ohio State in 2015 were defending National Champs and undefeated but lost at home to number 9 MSU.Bama wasn't defending NC - so you see justice rears it's ugly head
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