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MikeDeTiger

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #112 on: November 11, 2019, 12:29:35 PM »
I was reviewing the highlights of the Bama game and can make an argument that Bama would beat LSU more often than not, even on a neutral field.  Bama really made some uncharacteristic mistakes in the first half.

What's odd is Alabama still looked to have an edge on both LOS.  Not dominantly so as in the past couple years, so not a KO, but more in a winner-by-decision manner.  Usually I'd favor a team that wins the LOS and say if they lose, you could be looking for fluky stuff.  

I'm not at all sure that's what this was.  Alabama could play a cleaner game and they made some uncharacteristic mistakes.  But for every one you can name of theirs, I can give you at least one for LSU, so that's a wash imo.*

So putting aside the mistakes unlikely to be repeated by both teams, you have the LOS, which I thought Alabama "won."  Then you have Burrow and CEH, who didn't care.  Nothing about their seasons or performance Saturday suggested "fluke" and they were the biggest reasons LSU won.  So I don't know.  I tend to favor a team with better lines in general, but on the other hand the difference wasn't so much that some stellar skill player performance couldn't overcome it, and nothing about said performances was fluky.  

* things that probably don't happen again:
--Tua coughing the ball up unforced after a good drive, cost them 3-7 points, insert joke about Bama FG kicker here
--Stingley doesn't realize a play has started, gets burnt for long TD.  Yeah, that's not happening again
--Bama punter drops a well snapped ball for no reason
--LSU gives up a punt return TD for the first time in 12 years.  Waddle is a great returner, but that's not happening again
--LSU goes silent in the 3rd quarter as Burrow, not under pressure, misses open WRs on a couple plays.  I'm not so much saying Burrow can definitely do better than 31/39, but I am saying that's the first time all year I've seen Burrow have time, see his open guys, and flat miss on the throws, and I don't expect to see it again
--Kary Vincent gets hurt twice and after the second time, LSU really misses him in the slot.  Alabama wasn't doing much on offense in the first half, and later found success where Vincent was not.  Injuries happen, so is this repeatable?  I don't know.  
--Still not sure what was with the call on Bama's final TD, but Stingley definitely fell down.  Not sure how I feel about the chances of something like that happening again.  Alabama is good at quick, long strikes.  Stingley, while not perfect, is also good at not getting beat in that particular manner.  

Who knows.  I'm sure we'll find out as Alabama sits at home yet again while another team goes to do the dirty work against the East champion and the Tide goes to the playoffs anyway.  Assuming LSU can take care of business from here on out, of course.   

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #113 on: November 11, 2019, 12:38:15 PM »
I’ll use my opinion if the resumes of two teams are really close.  If Texas A&M played Baylor or Minnesota on a neutral field right now I think A&M would have a really good shot at winning.  But A&M has no good wins and has lost to every good team they have played.  Baylor has a couple of top 25 wins and Minnesota has a top 10 win and both are undefeated.  Their resumes aren’t close so I rank Minnesota and Baylor ahead of them.

If actual results don’t matter and we just go on what we think let’s just go ahead and put Bama and Clemson and whoever else in the playoffs because we all “think” they’re better than everybody else anyway.

Right.  And that's all I'm asking for.  A little objectivity.  Putting Minnesota at #17 last week behind a bunch of two loss teams was not objective.  Tim Brando from FOX has it right.  The media can rank us however they want.  They think that two loss SEC teams are better because of the conference that they play in?  Fine.  But the College Football Playoff Committees sole job is to rank teams FAIRLY.  It's why they wait until Week 10 to release the rankings.

So, I can understand if we aren't #5 and clumped with the other four undefeated teams....but that understanding is going to run out real quick if helmet school bias continues.



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Re: Top 25
« Reply #114 on: November 11, 2019, 12:39:04 PM »
In my OPINION, Alabama should not get in over any one loss  conference champion.   

It is not like other years where you can say they proved it with their schedule.  

If anyone comes out of the Big Ten, Big 12 or PAC 10 as a conference champ, with one loss, they should get in over Alabama if they are not even playing in their conference champ. Those would be the 4 best teams by proof.  
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« Reply #115 on: November 11, 2019, 12:42:01 PM »
I don't have a problem with where the Gophers were ranked last week.  resume, didn't include a reason to put them in the top 10.

This week is different.  The win over PSU is impressive.
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #116 on: November 11, 2019, 12:43:52 PM »
In my OPINION, Alabama should not get in over any one loss  conference champion. 

It is not like other years where you can say they proved it with their schedule. 

If anyone comes out of the Big Ten, Big 12 or PAC 10 as a conference champ, with one loss, they should get in over Alabama if they are not even playing in their conference champ. Those would be the 4 best teams by proof. 

Pffft.

They didn't prove it in 2011 with their schedule.  Oklahoma State had better wins and were conference champs, and every one of the BCS computers favored OSU, but the voters decided to focus on the singular resume bullet point of "best loss."  

Alabama is the only team in the post WWII era to win an NC without winning their conference, and they've done it twice.  

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« Reply #117 on: November 11, 2019, 12:45:09 PM »
In my OPINION, Alabama should not get in over any one loss  conference champion. 

It is not like other years where you can say they proved it with their schedule. 

If anyone comes out of the Big Ten, Big 12 or PAC 10 as a conference champ, with one loss, they should get in over Alabama if they are not even playing in their conference champ. Those would be the 4 best teams by proof. 
I think Bama is in trouble.  Or I should say I think they should be in trouble.  We’ll see what the committee does with them tomorrow night I guess.  They won’t be a conference champion and, at best, they will have two ranked wins if Texas A&M sneaks in there at some point.  They could very well end up with their best win being a 4 loss Auburn team that ends up somewhere between 16-20.  Everyone knows they are good but there isn’t a lot of meat on that schedule.

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #118 on: November 11, 2019, 12:45:41 PM »
Pffft.

They didn't prove it in 2011 with their schedule.  Oklahoma State had better wins and were conference champs, and every one of the BCS computers favored OSU, but the voters decided to focus on the singular resume bullet point of "best loss." 

Alabama is the only team in the post WWII era to win an NC without winning their conference, and they've done it twice. 
Except this is 2019.   They have proven little to nothing.  
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #119 on: November 11, 2019, 12:46:24 PM »
Pffft.

They didn't prove it in 2011 with their schedule.  Oklahoma State had better wins and were conference champs, and every one of the BCS computers favored OSU, but the voters decided to focus on the singular resume bullet point of "best loss." 

Alabama is the only team in the post WWII era to win an NC without winning their conference, and they've done it twice. 
Yep.  In 2011 Bama should have never been in there.

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« Reply #120 on: November 11, 2019, 12:46:45 PM »
Pffft.

They didn't prove it in 2011 with their schedule.  Oklahoma State had better wins and were conference champs, and every one of the BCS computers favored OSU, but the voters decided to focus on the singular resume bullet point of "best loss." 

Alabama is the only team in the post WWII era to win an NC without winning their conference, and they've done it twice. 

So you think that special rules should exist for Alabama?  Or maybe we just give them preferential treatment until they lose as a one loss non-champion four seed?

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« Reply #121 on: November 11, 2019, 12:49:14 PM »
So you think that special rules should exist for Alabama?  Or maybe we just give them preferential treatment until they lose as a one loss non-champion four seed?
I think you are taking what he said 180 degrees from what he intended.

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« Reply #122 on: November 11, 2019, 12:53:51 PM »
So you think that special rules should exist for Alabama?  Or maybe we just give them preferential treatment until they lose as a one loss non-champion four seed?
Ya he didn't mean it that way just pointing out what appears to favoritism.Being a Bayou Bengal I doubt he's seeking Bama getting any breaks
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #123 on: November 11, 2019, 12:54:41 PM »
what teams have accomplished last year or for the past few seasons do influence thoughts on the present season

might not be right, but it is that way

that's how helmet status is gained

it's been that way for decades - not gonna change this season
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Re: Top 25
« Reply #124 on: November 11, 2019, 12:56:13 PM »
I think you are taking what he said 180 degrees from what he intended.

I'm pretty sure that he's saying that Alabama was rightfully placed in the playoffs despite not being in the championship game.  And the fact that they won the National Championship justifies their inclusion despite the weaker resume.

But maybe I had it wrong. 

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Re: Top 25
« Reply #125 on: November 11, 2019, 12:57:31 PM »
I don't have a problem with where the Gophers were ranked last week.  resume, didn't include a reason to put them in the top 10.

This week is different.  The win over PSU is impressive.
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I was not sold on the Gophers until this weekend. I believed they were a pretty good team that was improving every week. However, I didn't think they belonged all the way down at 17. I personally would have had them around 12 or so. Now I believe they should be at min in the top 10.

But the beauty of it is that they get a chance over the next 3 weeks to make believers out of people or confirm what they already thought. If they beat Iowa and Wisconsin, they will be worthy of top 5 consideration. 

 

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