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1. LSU
2. Ohio St
3. Minnesota
4. Clemson
5. Baylor
6. Georgia
7. Oregon
8. Alabama
9. Penn State

Etc..../who cares.

Top end should be about teams that have proved it on the field.  You're clearly still valuing helmet teams.  I.E.....Minnesota can't be good.....#15 seems right.

1. LSU
2. Ohio St
3. Minnesota
4. Clemson
5. Baylor
6. Georgia
7. Oregon
8. Alabama
9. Penn State

Etc..../who cares.

Top end should be about teams that have proved it on the field.  You're clearly still valuing helmet teams.  I.E.....Minnesota can't be good.....#15 seems right.

You missed my real top 25 where I ranked teams based mostly on resume.  The top 10 of that one was:

1. LSU
2. Ohio St
3. Minnesota
4. Baylor
5. UGA
6. Oregon
7. Clemson
8. Penn St
9. Utah
10. Bama

The one that you criticized was the one where I was saying if I just went on what I think without being worried actual results then this is how I would rank them.  I’m definitely more of a resume ranker than a “here’s what I think” ranker.

I’d encourage you to do a full top 25.  People do the top 10 and then quit because it gets hard.  They usually do what you do and just say something like:

11-25 “Who cares” or “Whatever” or “Doesn’t matter.”  It’s kind of a cop out.  Yeah, it’s hard.  That’s kind of the point.

I’d encourage you to do a full top 25.  People do the top 10 and then quit because it gets hard.  They usually do what you do and just say something like:

11-25 “Who cares” or “Whatever” or “Doesn’t matter.”  It’s kind of a cop out.  Yeah, it’s hard.  That’s kind of the point.

You're right, but....once you get down in the rankings, it really doesn't matter.  Both things are true.


I ranked the top 16 because I saw a natural gap there.  And because it's easier to manipulate a 4x4 in your head than a 5x5.

I think it worth noting when a team blows out everyone on their schedule even if the opponents range from so-so to bad.

I'm fairly sure Minnesota and Baylor would be significant underdogs to any other team ranked in the top ten today, neutral site.

That is at least one way to rank teams, who would be favored against anyone below them.

1. LSU
2. Ohio St
3. Minnesota
4. Clemson
5. Baylor
6. Georgia
7. Oregon
8. Alabama
9. Penn State

Etc..../who cares.

Top end should be about teams that have proved it on the field.  You're clearly still valuing helmet teams.  I.E.....Minnesota can't be good.....#15 seems right.

This seems like lining up teams by number of losses and then adjusting internally a bit.  Why is LSU ranked higher than Baylor?  What is your reasoning?

That same reasoning could also be used to rank undefeated teams below one loss teams.  Alabama lost in a close game at home against your #1 team while Georgia at home (2 OTs) to a pretty mediocre team and yet you have Bama below UGA.  I realize UGA has a couple nice wins.  Penn State lost close on the road to your #3 team and you have them down at 9.  Why is that?

I don’t think that’s true though. One of the things the CFP looks at is ranked wins. If you aren’t doing a complete top 25 then you aren’t really replicating what the committee is doing.  Now, maybe you aren’t trying to do that anyway but I am.  One of the reasons I have Baylor  higher than Clemson is I have Baylor with two top 25 wins and Clemson with none. And one of the reasons I have teams like K St and Ok St in the top 25 and not Texas A&M is because I’m taking time to look at their resumes too and not just cutting it off at the top 10.

I think it matters.

I wish they would use some kind of numerical metric for ranked wins.

Like, why should I rely on the same blend of resume and a test to determine opponents quality when I could just use numbers that are predictive and forward-looking and would probably indicate the quality of opponent? Those predictive numbers recognize strength, which is what we’re really looking for in the first place.

The main downside is we are particularly bad in using rankings rather than whatever strength comes behind those rankings. The number 25 and 30 teams might be basically the same in terms of quality, but we tend to treat them very differently.