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Topic: 100 RBs who had lots of carries and didn't stink

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FearlessF

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #112 on: March 12, 2020, 03:59:57 PM »
it's not about entertainment factor, it's about degree of difficulty

it really should count for something

if you discount P5 because they didn't have the same caliber of competition, then making all american defenders miss and breaking tackles of all american defenders should be worth something
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #113 on: March 12, 2020, 04:16:35 PM »
It's worth exactly the yardage you gain, nothing more.  
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #114 on: March 12, 2020, 04:21:57 PM »
we disagree there

Sweetness and Barry have had many 5 yard gains that were better runs than Tony Dorsett's 99 yarder vs the Vikings

speed counts for something, but if you simply take the hand-off and run in a straight line untouched for 99 yards that's not much of a run

doesn't take much talent

doesn't make you the best back on the field
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #115 on: March 12, 2020, 04:29:40 PM »
I'll stick with what happened on the field.  You can decide how strongly to weigh wow-zee factor in your calculations.  You know what you won't find on those highlight films?  The times Sanders had a hole and still stutter-stepped around.  He routinely did that, out of habit, or wanting to appeal to you.  He played the opposite of how you'd teach a young RB to play football.  
And here I am, railing against an all-time great, just because I don't like 2nd and 11.  I don't award style points.  And I guess that makes me the asshole.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #116 on: March 12, 2020, 05:23:39 PM »
I'd disagree about that long untouched run not needing talent.  HW had some that very few other RBs would have made because of his speed.  For example, this was a large hole and he wasn't touched, but how many score on that play?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffW_VTlVwlE

There is a difference between a 20 yard gain and a 76 yard gain because of speed.

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #117 on: March 12, 2020, 06:08:22 PM »
Nope, garbage.  Not nearly enough jukes.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #118 on: March 12, 2020, 06:15:14 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 06:08:22 PM
Nope, garbage.  Not nearly enough jukes.
I laughed.  Good one.  I think that was his "best" run in his college career, possibly because it was his first year and "we" were just getting used to who he was.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #119 on: March 12, 2020, 06:24:37 PM »
I like the one where Vandy DBs are bouncing off him like ping-pong balls.  But all of his runs in Jacksonville should be struck from the record.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #120 on: March 12, 2020, 09:16:27 PM »
I did state that speed counts for something

not gonna be too many in the top 100 that aren't fast guys, gonna be a heck of a lot fewer in the top 50

Herschel had great speed, but he was much more than that

not many olympic sprinters played well at the RB position, and only a few played well at WR
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #121 on: March 12, 2020, 09:30:13 PM »
There's a clip on youtube of HW running the 100m.  All the other guys are 160 or so, and there's Herschel, finishing 2nd I believe, at 230 lb.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #122 on: March 12, 2020, 09:58:03 PM »
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« Reply #123 on: March 12, 2020, 10:11:13 PM »
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #124 on: March 12, 2020, 11:53:12 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 12, 2020, 04:29:40 PM
And here I am, railing against an all-time great, just because I don't like 2nd and 11.  I don't award style points.  And I guess that makes me the asshole.
plenty of great backs have lost a yard on 1st down

just makes you different than most

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #125 on: March 13, 2020, 06:14:48 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 12, 2020, 04:21:57 PM
speed counts for something, but if you simply take the hand-off and run in a straight line untouched for 99 yards that's not much of a run

doesn't take much talent

doesn't make you the best back on the field

I think elite speed is an elite talent, but speed alone obviously is insufficient.  The combination of speed and power is elite and rare.  I don't think Barry S. had elite speed, he had power and shiftiness.  I don't think any back has combined all three, Gurley might be an example of a RB who had a lot of all three.

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