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Topic: 100 RBs who had lots of carries and didn't stink

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2020, 06:59:39 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on March 09, 2020, 04:04:16 PM
this type of thing happened to plenty of great backs where they followed or were a year ahead of another great back

Mike Rozier / Roger Craig

many great Sooner backs
For his first two seasons at Texas, Ricky Williams was actually the fullback whose primary responsibility was lead-blocking for Priest Holmes.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2020, 07:49:18 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on March 09, 2020, 12:52:41 PM
Sanders was twelving. (Eighting?)
That's getting old.  And, for the Big 8 of Barry Sanders' era, it's not even accurate.  At all.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2020, 07:53:03 PM »
No Greg Pruitt?  Or did I miss him?

OU's #10 all-time rusher, #1 in terms of YPC.

Name  Posn  Years  Yds   Att  TD  Avg. 100yd  200yd

Greg Pruitt		RB1970-723,122422387.40133

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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2020, 07:54:57 PM »
Watched him and his tear away jerseys as a BROWNS Fan growing up
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2020, 08:06:01 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on March 09, 2020, 07:49:18 PM
That's getting old.  And, for the Big 8 of Barry Sanders' era, it's not even accurate.  At all.
It was satire, pointed at the op. Settle.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2020, 12:24:59 AM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on March 09, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
It's not a statistical thing.

What is statistically true is that a small sample size will have more noise and less signal than a larger sample size. But the guy who only gets 50 carries on the year, if used on similar playcalls as the guy who gets 200 carries a year, is probably more statistically likely to have a LOWER ypc than the guy who gets 200... Or else he wouldn't be the backup.

What happens is that often those "backups" who get lower volume and higher ypc averages aren't really backups at all--they're change of pace backs. If you play fantasy football, you see this in the NFL all the time. The Patriots run Sony Michel into the middle of the line on first and second down, and then on 3rd and long they bring in James White and if he gets the ball it's misdirection or on the edge and the defense is playing more pass than run, giving him room to work.

Sony Michel gets more volume and lower ypc, because he's used in more predictable run situations. James White gets more varied playcalling in pass formations. And James Develin only has 15 career rushing attemps, at a paltry 1.7 ypc. But he's also got 5 touchdowns, because those rushing attempts are goal-line situations.
It IS a statistical thing. 
Why, oh why, do they have statistical thresholds for statistics leaders? 
The highest yards per carry average in a game will always be more than that of a season...of a season will always be more than that of a career.  Period.
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The leader in yards per carry with 900 career carries will have a lower yards-per-carry average than the leader with 800 carries.  And if he doesn't, then he certainly does compared to the leader with 700 carries, and so on.
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I was following you until your last paragraph, which showed you don't understand this at all. 
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2020, 12:26:15 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on March 09, 2020, 03:59:47 PM
Also Barry Sanders had Thurman Thomas ahead of him. Not exactly apples to apples on other guys who had one great year
The "why" doesn't matter here.  
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2020, 12:45:08 AM »
Okay, I've decided to move these high yards-per-carry players up 10 spots each.  Then we'll look at receiving yardages.
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1. Ricky Williams, Texas - 750
2. Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin
3. Archie Griffin, Ohio St
4. Ron Dayne, Wisconsin
5. LaMichael James, Oregon
6. Tony Dorsett, Pitt
7. Charles White, USC
8. Royce Freeman, Oregon - 750
9. Cedric Benson, Texas
10. Darren Sproles, Kansas St
11. Justin Jackson, Northwestern - 750
12. Myles Gaskin, Washington
13. Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin
14. Anthony Thompson, Indiana - 750
15. Herschel Walker, Georgia
16. Montee Ball, Wisconsin
17. George Rogers, South Carolina
18. Mike Rozier, Nebraska
19. Nick Chubb, Georgia
20. Ken Simonton, Oregon St
21. Michael Hart, Michigan
22. Avon Cobourne, West Virginia
23. Darren Lewis, Texas A&M
24. Trevor Cobb, Rice - 750
25. Ray Rice, Rutgers
26. Paul Palmer, Temple
27. Lorenzo White, Michigan St
28. Dalvin Cook, Florida St - 750
29. J.K. Dobbins, Ohio St
30. Thurman Thomas, Oklahoma St
31. Marcus Allen, USC - 750
32. Terry Miller, Oklahoma St
33. Antony Davis, USC
34. Ted Brown, NC State - 750
35. Darren McFadden, Arkansas
36. Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska
37. Kevin Faulk, LSU
38. Darrell Thompson, Minnesota
39. Damien Anderson, Northwestern
40. Eric Dickerson, SMU
41. Bo Jackson, Auburn
42. Earl Campbell, Texas
43. Johnathan Franklin, UCLA
44. Javon Ringer, Michigan St
45. Jamie Morris, Michigan - 750
46. Amos Lawrence, North Carolina
47. Troy Davis, Iowa St
48. A.J. Dillon, Boston College
49. Autry Denson, Notre Dame
50. Tyrone Wheatley, Michigan
51. David Thompson, Oklahoma St
52. Noel Devine, West Virginia
53. Stepfan Taylor, Stanford - 750
54. Joe Morris, Syracuse
55. Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona
56. Samaje Perine, Oklahoma
57. Shock Linwood, Baylor
58. Tico Duckett, Michigan St
59. Zach Line, SMU
60. Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma St
61. Ralph Webb, Vanderbilt
62. Errict Rhett, Florida - 1000
63. Lamont Jordan, Maryland
64. Byron Hanspard, Texas Tech
65. Allen Pinkett, Notre Dame - 750
66. Rodney Smith, Minnesota
67. Robert Holcombe, Illinois
68. Travis Etienne, Clemson
69. Anthony Thomas, Michigan - 750
70. Amos Zereoue, West Virginia
71. Zack Moss, Utah
72. James White, Wisconsin
73. James Gray, Texas Tech
74. Joe Washington, Oklahoma
75. Robert Lavette, Georgia Tech
76. Mike Voight, North Carolina
77. Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio St
78. Warrick Dunn, Florida St - 1000
79. Dalton Hilliard, LSU - 1000
80. Chris Polk, Washington
81. Laurence Maroney, Minnesota
82. Napoleon Kaufman, Washington
83. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
84. Charles Alexander, LSU
85. Darrin Nelson, Stanford - 1000
86. Christian McCaffrey, Stanford - 1000
87. Chris Barclay, Wake Forest
88. Thomas Jones, Virginia
89. Anthony Dixon, Miss State
90. Ahman Green, Nebraska
91. Raymond Priester, Clemson
92. P.J. Hill, Wisconsin
93. Eric Bieniemy, Colorado
94. Bryce Love, Stanford
95. Evan Royster, Penn St
96. Steve Owens, Oklahoma
97. Emmitt Smith, Florida
98. Steve Slaton, West Virginia - 750
99. Sedrick Shaw, Iowa
100. Tyrell Sutton, Northwestern - 1000
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101. Leonard Fournette, LSU
102. Billy Sims, Oklahoma
103. James Davis, Clemson
104. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon St - 1000
105. Benny Snell Jr, Kentucky
106. BenJarvis Green-Ellis, Ole Miss
107. Yvenson Bernard, Oregon St - 750
108. Butch Woolfork, Michigan
109. Saquon Barkley, Penn St - 1000
110. June Henley, Kansas
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2020, 12:54:47 AM »
So we're going to underline these RBs with 750+ receiving yards in their college careers and move them up 5 spots.  And if they have 1000+ receiving yards, they move up 6 spots!  The list is evolving!
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2020, 06:33:57 AM »
P.J. Hill was a nice kid.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2020, 11:08:26 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on March 10, 2020, 12:45:08 AM

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1. Ricky Williams, Texas
2. Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin
3. Royce Freeman, Oregon
4. Archie Griffin, Ohio St
5. Ron Dayne, Wisconsin
6. Justin Jackson, Northwestern
7. LaMichael James, Oregon
8. Tony Dorsett, Pitt
9. Anthony Thompson, Indiana
10. Charles White, USC
11. Cedric Benson, Texas
12. Darren Sproles, Kansas St
13. Myles Gaskin, Washington
14. Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin
15. Herschel Walker, Georgia
16. Montee Ball, Wisconsin
17. George Rogers, South Carolina
18. Mike Rozier, Nebraska
19. Trevor Cobb, Rice
20. Nick Chubb, Georgia
21. Ken Simonton, Oregon St
22. Michael Hart, Michigan
23. Dalvin Cook, Florida St
24. Avon Cobourne, West Virginia
25. Darren Lewis, Texas A&M
26. Marcus Allen, USC
27. Ray Rice, Rutgers
28. Paul Palmer, Temple
29. Ted Brown, NC State
30. Lorenzo White, Michigan St
31. J.K. Dobbins, Ohio St
32. Thurman Thomas, Oklahoma St
33. Terry Miller, Oklahoma St
34. Antony Davis, USC
35. Darren McFadden, Arkansas
36. Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska
37. Kevin Faulk, LSU
38. Darrell Thompson, Minnesota
39. Damien Anderson, Northwestern
40. Jamie Morris, Michigan
40. Eric Dickerson, SMU
41. Bo Jackson, Auburn
42. Earl Campbell, Texas
43. Johnathan Franklin, UCLA
44. Javon Ringer, Michigan St
45. Amos Lawrence, North Carolina
46. Troy Davis, Iowa St
47. Stepfan Taylor, Stanford
48. A.J. Dillon, Boston College
49. Autry Denson, Notre Dame
50. Tyrone Wheatley, Michigan
51. David Thompson, Oklahoma St
52. Noel Devine, West Virginia
53. Joe Morris, Syracuse
54. Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona
55. Errict Rhett, Florida
56. Samaje Perine, Oklahoma
57. Shock Linwood, Baylor
58. Tico Duckett, Michigan St
59. Allen Pinkett, Notre Dame
60. Zach Line, SMU
61. Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma St
62. Ralph Webb, Vanderbilt
63. Anthony Thomas, Michigan
64. Lamont Jordan, Maryland
65. Byron Hanspard, Texas Tech
66. Rodney Smith, Minnesota
67. Robert Holcombe, Illinois
68. Travis Etienne, Clemson
69. Amos Zereoue, West Virginia
70. Zack Moss, Utah
71. Warrick Dunn, Florida St
72. Dalton Hilliard, LSU
73. James White, Wisconsin
74. James Gray, Texas Tech
75. Joe Washington, Oklahoma
76. Robert Lavette, Georgia Tech
77. Mike Voight, North Carolina
78. Darrin Nelson, Stanford
79. Christian McCaffrey, Stanford
80. Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio St
81. Chris Polk, Washington
82. Laurence Maroney, Minnesota
83. Napoleon Kaufman, Washington
84. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
85. Charles Alexander, LSU
86. Chris Barclay, Wake Forest
87. Thomas Jones, Virginia
88. Anthony Dixon, Miss State
89. Ahman Green, Nebraska
90. Raymond Priester, Clemson
91. P.J. Hill, Wisconsin
92. Steve Slaton, West Virginia
93. Tyrell Sutton, Northwestern
94. Eric Bieniemy, Colorado
95. Bryce Love, Stanford
96. Evan Royster, Penn St
97. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon St
98. Steve Owens, Oklahoma
99. Emmitt Smith, Florida
100. Sedrick Shaw, Iowa
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101. Yvenson Bernard, Oregon St
102. Saquon Barkley, Penn St
103. Leonard Fournette, LSU
104. Billy Sims, Oklahoma
105. James Davis, Clemson
106. Benny Snell Jr, Kentucky
107. BenJarvis Green-Ellis, Ole Miss
108. Butch Woolfork, Michigan
109. June Henley, Kansas
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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2020, 11:19:07 AM »
Next, we'll reward the big TD guys - 50+ career rushing TDs = move up 5 spots.  The yards-per-carry portion rewarded the speedy guys, the TD reward will help out those bulkier, short-yardage players (on the average).
Players in RED will move up 5 spots.

1. Ricky Williams, Texas
2. Jonathan Taylor, Wisconsin
3. Royce Freeman, Oregon
4. Archie Griffin, Ohio St
5. Ron Dayne, Wisconsin
6. Justin Jackson, Northwestern
7. LaMichael James, Oregon
8. Tony Dorsett, Pitt
9. Anthony Thompson, Indiana
10. Charles White, USC
11. Cedric Benson, Texas
12. Darren Sproles, Kansas St
13. Myles Gaskin, Washington
14. Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin
15. Herschel Walker, Georgia
16. Montee Ball, Wisconsin
17. George Rogers, South Carolina
18. Mike Rozier, Nebraska
19. Trevor Cobb, Rice
20. Nick Chubb, Georgia
21. Ken Simonton, Oregon St
22. Michael Hart, Michigan
23. Dalvin Cook, Florida St
24. Avon Cobourne, West Virginia
25. Darren Lewis, Texas A&M
26. Marcus Allen, USC
27. Ray Rice, Rutgers
28. Paul Palmer, Temple
29. Ted Brown, NC State
30. Lorenzo White, Michigan St
31. J.K. Dobbins, Ohio St
32. Thurman Thomas, Oklahoma St
33. Terry Miller, Oklahoma St
34. Antony Davis, USC
35. Darren McFadden, Arkansas
36. Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska
37. Kevin Faulk, LSU
38. Darrell Thompson, Minnesota
39. Damien Anderson, Northwestern
40. Jamie Morris, Michigan
41. Eric Dickerson, SMU
42. Bo Jackson, Auburn
43. Earl Campbell, Texas
44. Johnathan Franklin, UCLA
45. Javon Ringer, Michigan St
46. Amos Lawrence, North Carolina
47. Troy Davis, Iowa St
48. Stepfan Taylor, Stanford
49. A.J. Dillon, Boston College
50. Autry Denson, Notre Dame
51. Tyrone Wheatley, Michigan
52. David Thompson, Oklahoma St
53. Noel Devine, West Virginia
54. Joe Morris, Syracuse
55. Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona
56. Errict Rhett, Florida
57. Samaje Perine, Oklahoma
58. Shock Linwood, Baylor
59. Tico Duckett, Michigan St
60. Allen Pinkett, Notre Dame
61. Zach Line, SMU
62. Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma St
63. Ralph Webb, Vanderbilt
64. Anthony Thomas, Michigan
65. Lamont Jordan, Maryland
66. Byron Hanspard, Texas Tech
67. Rodney Smith, Minnesota
68. Robert Holcombe, Illinois
69. Travis Etienne, Clemson
70. Amos Zereoue, West Virginia
71. Zack Moss, Utah
72. Warrick Dunn, Florida St
73. Dalton Hilliard, LSU
74. James White, Wisconsin
75. James Gray, Texas Tech
76. Joe Washington, Oklahoma
77. Robert Lavette, Georgia Tech
78. Mike Voight, North Carolina
79. Darrin Nelson, Stanford
80. Christian McCaffrey, Stanford
81. Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio St
82. Chris Polk, Washington
83. Laurence Maroney, Minnesota
84. Napoleon Kaufman, Washington
85. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma
86. Charles Alexander, LSU
87. Chris Barclay, Wake Forest
88. Thomas Jones, Virginia
89. Anthony Dixon, Miss State
90. Ahman Green, Nebraska
91. Raymond Priester, Clemson
92. P.J. Hill, Wisconsin
93. Steve Slaton, West Virginia
94. Tyrell Sutton, Northwestern
95. Eric Bieniemy, Colorado
96. Bryce Love, Stanford
97. Evan Royster, Penn St
98. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon St
99. Steve Owens, Oklahoma
100. Emmitt Smith, Florida
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101. Sedrick Shaw, Iowa
102. Yvenson Bernard, Oregon St
103. Saquon Barkley, Penn St
104. Leonard Fournette, LSU
105. Billy Sims, Oklahoma
106. James Davis, Clemson
107. Benny Snell Jr, Kentucky
108. BenJarvis Green-Ellis, Ole Miss
109. Butch Woolfork, Michigan
110. June Henley, Kansas
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2020, 11:30:18 AM »
I'll re-order, then add a bump for players who played fewer than 4 years.
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Re: Top 100 RBs of All-Time
« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2020, 11:59:53 AM »
this list needs a ton of work.

jim brown
rashaan salaam
willis mcgahee
shaun alexander
derrick henry
gale sayers

and completely discounts guys like faulk. i get level of comp is something to take into consideration, but when they also tear up nfl, i think level of comp is moot.
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