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Topic: SI All-time College Football Team

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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2023, 08:58:08 AM »
is Jay worthy of the all-time team?
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2023, 08:58:59 AM »
How would I know?

How would anyone know?
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2023, 12:00:47 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2023, 08:55:29 AM
Jay Berwanger of the University of Chicago won the first Heisman.

In 1935.

Could he do that today?

Not a chance.
Right, cuz he's dead.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2023, 12:16:26 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 27, 2023, 12:00:47 PM
Right, cuz he's dead.
And even if he wasn't, he'd get killed anyway.

Maybe 1960 is a good stop point.

I'm sure Butkus and Sayers could play today's game.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2023, 12:46:07 PM »
I think it's interesting, following a slew of all-century teams released around 2000, we've had 20+ Heismans awarded, but the main "newbies" included on all-time teams seem to be Suh, Fitzgerald, and Tebow/Young.  Only 1 Heisman among them.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2023, 12:47:26 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 27, 2023, 12:16:26 PM
And even if he wasn't, he'd get killed anyway.

Maybe 1960 is a good stop point.

I'm sure Butkus and Sayers could play today's game.
Not a lot of 160 lb white guys winning Heismans, you're right.

Today's game is very different than even 10 years ago.  Butkus probably ran a 4.8 forty.  With all this passing going on today, he couldn't get on the field.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2023, 01:06:46 PM »
Okay, I did 2 teams, with 1970 being the cutoff:
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2023, 01:10:25 PM »
Exercises like this really show how Pitt has underperformed as a program.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2023, 02:43:35 PM »
Position: Halfback
Years: 1937-1939
Place of Birth: Adel, IA
Date of Birth: Jul 09, 1918
Place of Death: Gulf of Paria, Venezuela
Date of Death: Jun 02, 1943
Jersey Number: 24
Height: 5-8
Weight: 167
High School: Omaha, NE (Benson HS)

Iowa halfback Nile Kinnick, was the picture of football brilliance, leading Iowa to a 6-1-1 record while running, passing, or kicking for 107 of the Hawkeyes' 130 points. Nile led the nation in kickoff return yardage (377 yards) and was second in interceptions with eight.
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2023, 03:03:40 PM »
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2023, 09:13:06 PM »
I was thinking about the peak vs average thing.....some people, and most people back in the day, especially, valued peak.  What's the best you could do?  It's really been valued in football.  
But why isn't it valued at all in music?
Many will put Barry Sanders alongside or even above Herschel Walker or Ron Dayne, but none of you would put A-ha (Take on Me) up there with the Beatles or Stones.  

Why?
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2023, 09:23:32 PM »
Eyeball test
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2023, 09:40:49 PM »
College football one-hit wonders (only started 1 season or only had 1 big season):
Roger Staubach (look up his Heisman follow-up season) QB NAVY
Cam Newton QB AUB
Barry Sanders RB OKST
Maurice Clarett RB OSU
Scooby Wright LB ARI
Chuba Hubbard RB OKST
Larry Johnson RB PSU
Greg Middleton DE IU
basically 1/3 of all RBs ever
Brad Banks QB IOWA
Rudi Johnson RB AUB
Corey Dillon RB UW
Akili Smith QB ORE
Damien Anderson RB NW
Mac Jones QB ALA
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Who'd I forget?
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Re: SI All-time College Football Team
« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2023, 09:55:24 PM »
TJ Watt was a backup, had a big season and went to the NFL. Frankly several of UW's OLBs did that. 

O'Brien Schofield was a nice starter as a junior, borderline AA as a senior. 

There was a WR at South Carolina this year whose best season before this year was 167 yards on 18 catches. As a super senior, he was 7th in the NCAA in receiving yards. 

Max Duggan was a three-year starter who couldn't hold onto the job and then was second in Heisman voting. 

Burrow started two, but was real mid in the first one and then historic. 
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