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Topic: Top 100 Players at Each Position

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847badgerfan

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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2025, 03:34:16 PM »
Wisconsin had James White, Montee Ball and Melvin Gordon in the SAME backfield.

No way that happens today with the portal and NIL.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2025, 03:34:41 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 13, 2025, 03:34:05 PM
I think Ricky Williams was better than Taylor and Dayne and every other back that's ever played.
Meh.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2025, 03:41:17 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 13, 2025, 03:34:41 PM
Meh.
Ricky Williams played fullback his first 2 years, lead-blocking for Priest Holmes.  He's way better than your Wisconsin schlubs.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2025, 03:41:48 PM »
One thing I look at is "tough yards", did the back get YAC, could he avoid tackles, or run through them, could he be relied on to get two yards consistently.

Herschel had of course a lot of "highlight reels" where the defense broke down or he ran over some 190 lb safety.  He also averaged 35 carries per game his second year, which is rather astounding today.  But a good defense could stone him at the line and shut him down some.

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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2025, 03:45:35 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 13, 2025, 03:41:48 PM
One thing I look at is "tough yards", did the back get YAC, could he avoid tackles, or run through them, could he be relied on to get two yards consistently.

Herschel had of course a lot of "highlight reels" where the defense broke down or he ran over some 190 lb safety.  He also averaged 35 carries per game his second year, which is rather astounding today.  But a good defense could stone him at the line and shut him down some.

That's pretty common.  Derrick Henry is an exaggeration of that, on the good and bad side.  Way too easy to bring down in the backfield or at the line, basically unstoppable once he gets going.  

Leonard Fournette could run over anybody and break free from a lot of adverse situations, but Alabama overwhelmed our OL and he was stoned at or behind the line all game.  

Derrick Henry is still holding Fournette's 2015 Heisman.  
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #47 on: May 13, 2025, 05:51:57 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on May 13, 2025, 03:28:29 PM
If you're looking at what kind of career a guy had, I don't mind career yards.  If you're looking at "How good was he?" I prefer ypc, because it cuts through so much of the unbalanced noise between disparate situations players find themselves in.  Not perfectly, but better than total yards. 
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2025, 05:52:31 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 13, 2025, 03:41:17 PM
Ricky Williams played fullback his first 2 years, lead-blocking for Priest Holmes.  He's way better than your Wisconsin schlubs.
Roger Craig played fullback for Mike Rozier
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2025, 06:03:50 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 13, 2025, 03:34:05 PM
I think Ricky Williams was better than Taylor and Dayne and every other back that's ever played.
He had better spleef also
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #50 on: May 13, 2025, 06:22:40 PM »
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #51 on: May 13, 2025, 06:28:40 PM »
Quote from: MikeDeTiger on May 13, 2025, 03:45:35 PM
That's pretty common. Derrick Henry is an exaggeration of that, on the good and bad side.  Way too easy to bring down in the backfield or at the line, basically unstoppable once he gets going.
But that's how you take down those types like him,Earl Campbell,Jerome Bettis,Iron Head Heyward,Mike Alstott,Marshawn Lynch. Get to them before they get a head of steam. I used to play cornerback & ended up with a mouth full of bloody chiclets more than once because Fullbacks got out and about
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #52 on: May 13, 2025, 06:38:44 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 13, 2025, 03:41:48 PM
Herschel had of course a lot of "highlight reels" where the defense broke down or he ran over some 190 lb safety.  He also averaged 35 carries per game his second year, which is rather astounding today.  But a good defense could stone him at the line and shut him down some.


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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #53 on: May 13, 2025, 08:47:31 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 13, 2025, 09:13:43 AM
You gonna include Texas and Oklahoma?
:57: When they're a "have" by way of winning the conference.  For now, they're not one of the six schools to win EVERY SEC title since 1964.  

They're with Vandy and Miss State and Kentucky until then.  And they don't belong on any all-time lists.  :96:
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2025, 08:56:02 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 13, 2025, 03:34:16 PM
Wisconsin had James White, Montee Ball and Melvin Gordon in the SAME backfield.

No way that happens today with the portal and NIL.
No way that happens ever again, in any context.  

It's funny that Dayne, the 255 lb bowling ball never lead-blocked for anyone.  He outweighed his own FB by 20 lbs in the 1999 Rose Bowl, lol.


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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2025, 09:11:20 PM »
could be many reasons
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