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OrangeAfroMan

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Top 100 Players at Each Position
« on: May 07, 2025, 09:00:34 PM »
Do you think doing a top 100 players at each position would be doable? 
Is it a fool's errand?

Inspired by Bill James' Baseball Almanac, which was inspired by him and a friend wondering if there were 100 better catchers all-time than Mike MacFarlane, how difficult might this task be?

Have I posted this before?  I'm getting deja vu as I type this.

Anyways, it's the off-season and it's a long summer. 
If I did this (or we did this), I'm of 2 minds:
1 - all players considered for the list, or
2 - make it P4/P5/Pwhatever only, and set the 1-year wonders aside on their own list (G5 could have their own as well).
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I assume most here would prefer 1, but if anyone has an opinion, speak up.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2025, 02:49:07 AM »
100 might be a little much for some positions, or a little light for others, like O line, etc. Probably would need a top 500 for that position group.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2025, 07:52:01 AM »
that's a lot of work, something fora fulltime guy or crew of guys
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2025, 09:54:34 AM »
We could start with this century.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2025, 10:03:10 AM »
I wonder of the value of lists and rankings, generally.  But have at it.

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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2025, 10:14:00 AM »
Might want to decide up front if you want to allow a recency bias or not. 

I'm of the opinion that almost all modern day athletes would blow the doors off of the old-timey fan favorites, if for nothing more than advances in training, nutrition, etc.  And, frankly, we have the entire pool of talent in more modern times which gives us a better creme da la creme.  Prior to a certain point, we only had the white kids, and the best of a smaller population almost certainly isn't going to produce the caliber of athlete as will the best of a larger population. 

Others, of course, prefer to rank players according to their time, i.e., how good they were for their day.  Which is really hard, I'd think, since we don't have a lot of footage to evaluate for that.  

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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2025, 12:47:00 PM »
how about just a top 100 players overall? I nominate Charles Woodson to be on that. he was really fucking good.

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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2025, 01:16:03 PM »
I usually think about how players ranked "in their time".  I played volley ball against the starting tight end at UGA, nice fellow, good TE, but he would get mashed in today's game.

Was Charlie Trippi a good offensive back?  Of course, in his day he was.  He weighted 186 pounds.  In today's game?  Safety maybe?  He would bulk up.

Was Fran Tarkenton a good college QB?  6'0" and 190 lbs.  


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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2025, 01:19:24 PM »
This century. Maybe the '90's. Tough to go further back. Everything is so much different.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2025, 07:11:20 PM »
how about just a top 100 players overall? I nominate Charles Woodson to be on that. he was really fucking good.
I'm sure there's plenty top 100 overall lists.  
I'm thinking 100 at each position would be enough to fill a book, especially with a blurb on each player.  
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It seems like some of you are considering putting a guy like Archie Grffin in a time machine and putting him in the backfield today.

That's not how you do this.

It's stats + eye test vs their cohort.  That's the only way that makes sense.  
A backup OL from today would completely mash an all-american from 1977.  Easily.  That's not useful information.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2025, 07:15:09 PM »
I'm really interested in your opinions about keeping it only P4/5 programs and giving 1-year starters their own lists.  

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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2025, 07:24:38 PM »
Just looking at OSU RBs....they have 4 guys with 500+ carries @ over 6 ypc....and none is named Eddie George.  One had 25 career TDs, another 43.  

Looking at many schools' RB stats, the TD discrepancies are substantial.  How do you square a guy with more carries, way more yards, and even a better ypc average, but having half the TDs?  Tricky.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2025, 07:41:00 PM »
Let's pay a game.  
Here are the top 20 rushers, minus the G5 program guys, with their final season and school.  How many can you get correct?

1.  1999 Wisconsin
2.  1998 Texas
3.  2019 Wisconsin
4.  1976 Pitt
5.  2017 Oregon
6.  1979 USC
7.  2004 Texas
8.  2017 Northwestern
9.  2018 Washington
10. 1982 Georgia
11. 1975 Ohio State
12. 2012 Wisconsin
13. 2011 Oregon
14. 2007 Michigan
15. 2002 West Virginia
16. 1990 Texas A&M
17. 2004 Kansas State
18. 1989 Indiana
19. 1980 South Carolina
20. 2020 Clemson

If you get more than 12, I'm impressed.
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Re: Top 100 Players at Each Position
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2025, 09:09:50 PM »
18/20.

 

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