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Topic: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #154 on: August 26, 2024, 11:25:43 AM »
Yes, it was easier to do as an independent, but even after 11-1 and 10-2 seasons, FSU scheduled this in 1981:
@ 17 Nebraska
bye
@ 7 Ohio St
@ ND
@ 3 Pitt
@ LSU

They went out and earned their respect.  Anti-Kansas St scheduling.  They went 3-2 in those games, but they were willing to earn it on the road.
I've looked at this before mostly because of the game in Columbus.  Ohio State QB Art Schlichter who back then was famous only for football and not for his myriad off-field problems set some passing records in that game that were only recently broken.  In that game he threw 52 times with 31 completions for 458 yards with 2TD's and no INT's.  That is a pretty good line even today but in the 1980's it was unheard of and even moreso when one remembers that the seniors on the 1981 Ohio State team who had played their freshman year for Coach Woody Hayes.  

Interestingly, Ohio State lost not because the Buckeye passing attack couldn't keep up but because FSU stuffed tOSU's running game and rushed the ball very well themselves.  From the Box Score:
Rushing:
  • tOSU:  31 attempts for 86 yards, 2.8 per, long of 14
  • FSU:  40 attempts for 215 yards, 5.4 per, long of 37 (and they did that twice)
A part of that was that FSU sacked Schlichter four times for 47 yards in losses but even tOSU's RB's were not great.  The leading rusher (HB I assume) had  63 on 14 carries so 4.5 per while the other back (FB I assume) had 11 for 21.  

Passing:
  • tOSU:  52 att, 31 completions, 2TD, 0 INT, 458 yards, 8.8 YPA
  • FSU:  42 att, 25 completions, 2TD, 0 INT, 299 yards, 7.1 YPA

You have to give FSU/Bowden credit, that was a brutal schedule.  

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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #155 on: August 26, 2024, 11:27:47 AM »
Meh.

ND is over-rated as usual, and it's a quasi-conference game anyway. FSU didn't schedule it. The ACC did.

Memphis, Charleston Southern and Florida ain't murderous.
I suppose it’s just low in body bags, but I put value on that. Two teams that won 10 games last year and a program that’s *usually* talent rich/good. It ain’t bad. 

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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #156 on: August 26, 2024, 11:32:38 AM »
Interestingly, Ohio State lost not because the Buckeye passing attack couldn't keep up but because FSU stuffed tOSU's running game and rushed the ball very well themselves.  From the Box Score:


apparently, the bye week really helped FSU

against Nebraska


Rushes-yards      FSU    41-54  UNL    63-472
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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #157 on: August 26, 2024, 11:34:46 AM »
Where do you guess FSU goes from here?  Are they still a pretty decent team, or just mediocre, or worse?  Wrose case, I think, they lose to BC and spiral downwards, and even up 4-8.  The BC game could be pivotal for team morale.  Memphis won't be a pastry.
I agree on the BC game being pivotal.  I'll also say that while @847badgerfan has a point here:
Meh.

ND is over-rated as usual, and it's a quasi-conference game anyway. FSU didn't schedule it. The ACC did.

Memphis, Charleston Southern and Florida ain't murderous.
There are two sides to that coin as you already pointed out:
Having P4 teams on one's schedule is credible even if they happen to be off that year.  They COULD lose any of those but CSU.
SoS is, IMHO, always difficult to assess because it depends on the strength of the team in question.  Badge is right that if FSU is a NC Contender, this isn't a terribly tough schedule.  If they are actually THAT good and the loss in Ireland was just a fluke, then the only real concerns on the schedule are MAYBE Clemson, MAYBE Miami, and ND.  

OTOH, if the loss in Ireland is more indicative of the actual status of FSU, this is a ROUGH schedule because there aren't a lot of gimmies.  

If they stuff BC in a trash can at home a week from tonight, then they have a week off to figure everything out before two more homes games against Memphis and California and a road game at SMU.  They *SHOULD* be 4-1 when they play Clemson in October.  Or the wheels could come off.  

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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #158 on: August 26, 2024, 11:44:06 AM »
If they don't have anyone better to plug in at QB, they're looking at 3-4 losses.  

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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #159 on: August 26, 2024, 11:47:45 AM »
I wouldn't put too much stock into the first game, especially one in Ireland. On the Tech side I greatly enjoyed watching their quarterback, who both looked like he had never played football before and was also very effective. He looked surprised every time something went right. 

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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #160 on: August 26, 2024, 11:51:25 AM »
agreed
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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #161 on: August 26, 2024, 11:54:13 AM »
apparently, the bye week really helped FSU

against Nebraska

Rushes-yards      FSU    41-54  UNL    63-472
I know you are just being coy but it has a lot more to do with Nebraska being a MUCH better team in 1981 than Ohio State.  It doesn't jump off the page because the Cornhuskers and Buckeyes both finished 9-3 with Nebraska #11 and tOSU #15 but:

Nebraska played a brutal schedule that year as well.  They opened in Iowa City with a loss to the BigTen Champions to be.  Then they blew out FSU before losing at home to a PSU team that would ultimately finish #3 in the Nation.  Their fourth OOC game was at home against Auburn.  They ran the table in the Big8 and their third loss of the season came in the Orange Bowl to the 1981 National Champions, Clemson.  

Ohio State missed Iowa on the BigTen schedule (long story, everybody else played 9 league games, tOSU and Iowa didn't and it ended up being HUGE because the Buckeyes and Hawkeyes tied for the league title).  The Buckeyes' other two losses came to middling Wisconsin and Minnesota* teams and they barely got their ninth win in the Liberty Bowl against Navy.  

*Minnesota:
The Gophers are a weird story that year.  They took out tOSU 35-31 at home and they also beat Iowa 12-10 in Iowa City which means that they beat BOTH of the league's co-champions.  Despite that, they finished sub .500 in the league at 4-5 and tied with MSU for 6th/7th place because they lost to:
  • 3-6/3-8 Indiana
  • 4-5/5-6 Michigan State
  • 6-3/7-5 Wisconsin
  • 6-3/7-4 Illinois
  • 6-3/9-3 Michigan


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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #162 on: August 26, 2024, 12:30:18 PM »
yup, 81 was my freshman year and my first as a husker fan

Osborne went with the more experienced quarterbacks Mark Maurer and Nate Mason, instead of Turner Gill who took over after the Penn St. loss.

If Osborne starts Gill in the first game the Iowa Game and Penn St. game might have been wins.

lost by 3 to Iowa - had more total yards and missed a 30yd 4th quarter FG
lost by 6 to Penn St. - PSU had 17 more total yards - Huskers led 24-20 start of the 4th quarter
lost by 7 to #1 Clemson in the Orange w/o Gill at QB

#4-ranked Nebraska had a chance in the Orange Bowl.  Texas and Pittsburgh were giving the Cornhuskers their chance at No. 1. 
Pitt beat No. 2 Georgia in the Sugar Bowl and Texas toppled No. 3 Alabama, 14-12, in the Cotton Bowl. Would 1970 repeat? Could No. 4 Nebraska knock off No. 1 Clemson and claim the title?
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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #164 on: August 26, 2024, 01:09:51 PM »
On reflection, I think GaTech would be an OK B1G addition, even if their football program stayed Purdue-like.  You don't need every addition to be "USC" or "Texas".  You need some Purdues, and as noted, when OSU and Michigan played down here, alumni would fill Grant Field.   GaTech once was a near power, and still retains perhaps a pinch of that aura.  They might bounce between 9-3 and 5-7 and be OK.  It certainly would benefit Tech a lot.


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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #165 on: August 26, 2024, 01:36:22 PM »
I wouldn't put too much stock into the first game, especially one in Ireland. On the Tech side I greatly enjoyed watching their quarterback, who both looked like he had never played football before and was also very effective. He looked surprised every time something went right.
That kid helped topple a Bama team that played for a natty. And he also looked surprised about that.

I think we need a term for a QB who is nice on a mid-level team, but too inconsistent for one trying to be serious.

Edit: Well shit. I messed that up. The Ga. Tech kid was the starter who got hurt for that A&M team. His backup beat A&M, went to Auburn where he didn’t get the job/got hurt and now is a modestly, productive FCS quarterback. 
« Last Edit: August 26, 2024, 02:37:57 PM by bayareabadger »

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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #166 on: August 26, 2024, 02:52:57 PM »
That kid helped topple a Bama team that played for a natty. And he also looked surprised about that.

I think we need a term for a QB who is nice on a mid-level team, but too inconsistent for one trying to be serious.

Edit: Well shit. I messed that up. The Ga. Tech kid was the starter who got hurt for that A&M team. His backup beat A&M, went to Auburn where he didn’t get the job/got hurt and now is a modestly, productive FCS quarterback.
King started the first two games of 2021. Beat the hell out of Miami and then beat Mercer.

King started against Bama in 2022 but lost 24-20 - not terrible.

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Re: The Stream 2024 - Week Zero
« Reply #167 on: August 26, 2024, 02:59:34 PM »
Yeah that didn't sound right.

Overall I liked Haynes King at A&M, it was a shame he got hurt and then got replaced.  He was their next savior... until he wasn't.

Believe me I'm used to seeing those come and go at Texas, too. 

 

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