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Topic: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football

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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2024, 12:26:08 PM »
College football doesn't have some central authority (some want one, Saban).  Bowl games can be created because no one can stop it from happening, and ESPN et al. of course like the programming.  So, it happens.  The NCAA is a pretty loose group with disparate interests by its members.  They aren't going to stop a new bowl game.

They aren't going to do much of anything without legal pressures.  So, we end up with a major hodge podge of "stuff".  This is closer to anarchy than reflecting some economic system.  If this were somehow "capitalism", most current programs would have died long ago.

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« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2024, 12:34:42 PM »
And that hasn't happened simply because the haves haven't (yet?) trimmed the fat of the have-nots.  They could do it now, they could have done it 50 years ago - the top third of the Big Ten hasn't really changed since the mid-90s, has it?  UM, OSU, UW, PSU....maybe Iowa, if you're feeling inclusive.  Who else brings more than they take away?  

They could have done it at any point.  But it would have required communication with other top thirds of other conferences, and that's yet another reason the regionality of college football was a plus.  Being focused on your own shit prevented 'grass is greener' thinking.  
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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2024, 12:36:52 PM »
The bowl game thing was another bad case of unfettered capitalism?  Oh, you can throw a couple of random-ass, .500 teams together and still make money?!?  Deal!!!!  It's like the Producers.  It doesn't have to be good, it just has to exist!
It's not like The Producers. The Producers is a failure of intentional fraud. 

The existence of 1,000 bowls is deeply fine. It's utterly OK. It offends busybodies. 

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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2025, 12:11:59 PM »
I'd say USC and Oregon are big adds, and UW + UCLA as tagalongs.  Smart move.

Adding just Texas and OU wasn't a great plan, long-term.  It'd have been better with 2 others, like OKST + a KS school or a UNC/NCST + a VA school, something like that.

If you only add great programs, your existing great programs suffer. 
The SEC should collect the remaining Bulldogs and Tigers that are out there. 

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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2025, 03:46:30 PM »
It's not like The Producers. The Producers is a failure of intentional fraud.

The existence of 1,000 bowls is deeply fine. It's utterly OK. It offends busybodies.
It's not about offense, it's about the good of the sport.  And these 60-whatever bowls are like the Producers in that the quality of the product on the field is irrelevant to the money being made.  

All of these bowls don't exist to get exciting matchups, lol.  If I can make money with a 5th-place MAC team and a 6th place MWC team and fly them in to X-southern city, and I do it.....that's what I'm talking about.
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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #75 on: January 12, 2025, 06:17:21 PM »
Lot of truth here Ive noticed and haven't liked too.  The individual bowls used to matter a lot more, even down the lineup.  It was never easy to win, but on 8-11 team conferences with co-champs and more value in things beside the national chmapionship, there was a lot more to play for.  Now, everything so much is about the national title it sucks the air out.  It is fun as an OSU fan right now, but wish it was different still.

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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #76 on: January 12, 2025, 06:19:49 PM »
Lot of truth here Ive noticed and haven't liked too.  The individual bowls used to matter a lot more, even down the lineup.  It was never easy to win, but on 8-11 team conferences with co-champs and more value in things beside the national chmapionship, there was a lot more to play for.  Now, everything so much is about the national title it sucks the air out.  It is fun as an OSU fan right now, but wish it was different still.
Well put,many guys will opt out the more games that get added
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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #77 on: January 13, 2025, 11:18:05 AM »
The individual bowls used to matter a lot more, even down the lineup.  It was never easy to win, but on 8-11 team conferences with co-champs and more value in things beside the national chmapionship, there was a lot more to play for.  Now, everything so much is about the national title it sucks the air out.  It is fun as an OSU fan right now, but wish it was different still.

Reaching the Citrus Bowl should almost always signify a season to be proud of. I think for South Carolina and Illinois their rosters and fans were glad to be there, both teams finishing the best seasons they've had in a while. And it was a fun game. Same should be true of the Pop Tarts Bowl. But both Iowa State and Miami might've taken this Bowl like a consolation after ISU lost the Big 12 championship and Miami crashed after ranking as high as #4 in November. If you watched either Bowl, like I did, every commercial break ran adverts for the CFP, the halftime shows talked about the CFP, and the announcers digressed to discussing the CFP during timeouts.

The thing we're supposed to actively be captivating ourselves with (Citrus Bowl) is parlayed into hype for something else (CFP). And I'm sure if we're watching the CFP, it'll turn into a commercial for the NFL playoffs. Remember when TV let us watch something for the sake of watching something? Yesterday was the 28th anniversary of King Of The Hill premiering on FOX. To this day I still remember tuning in as a kid, and then watching the X-Files themed crossover episode of the Simpsons airing next, all followed by a new X-Files episode drawing over 20 million viewers. We don’t get TV nights like that anymore.



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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #78 on: January 13, 2025, 11:37:44 AM »
It's not about offense, it's about the good of the sport.  And these 60-whatever bowls are like the Producers in that the quality of the product on the field is irrelevant to the money being made. 

All of these bowls don't exist to get exciting matchups, lol.  If I can make money with a 5th-place MAC team and a 6th place MWC team and fly them in to X-southern city, and I do it.....that's what I'm talking about.
But what I don't understand is... Where is the harm to the sport from bowl proliferation? Because it's terrible to give a team without MNC hopes something to look forward to at the end of the year? 

A bunch of meaningless bowls doesn't imperil the good of college football just by virtue of existing, just as the NIT and other meaningless extra basketball tournaments don't imperil the good of college basketball just by virtue of existing. 


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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #79 on: January 13, 2025, 12:03:54 PM »
It's not about offense, it's about the good of the sport.  And these 60-whatever bowls are like the Producers in that the quality of the product on the field is irrelevant to the money being made. 

All of these bowls don't exist to get exciting matchups, lol.  If I can make money with a 5th-place MAC team and a 6th place MWC team and fly them in to X-southern city, and I do it.....that's what I'm talking about.
More football that some people care about is fine. Sounds perfectly good for the sport.

If two teams don’t play a random game in December, that’s better for the sport? Probably not.

Of you’re weird and precious about some bizarro version of the sport, I guess? But chances are, anyone getting panties bunched about too many bowls is really just prone to bunched panties. And if we cut down on bowls, they would gain no joy, but others would lose joy.

Doesn’t sound good for the sport over in this corner.

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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #80 on: January 14, 2025, 12:09:19 AM »
betarhoalphadelta

I try to attend one college football game each year. In 2023 I went to a game with a buddy I went to law school with, his daughter who was in a graduate program in Pittsburgh, my wife, and me, went to FSU @ Pitt. I understand some of what you speak to in this thread. I am so distant from FSU geographically and media-wise, I have difficulty keeping up with the players. I can understand the distance you have with Purdue football.
In November 2024, a different law school buddy with a thin Iowa connection (his mother grew up in Iowa until age 7, and she received a masters degree in the 1940s from State University of Iowa), and I went to the Wisconsin game, and we tailgated with several others. We had such a great time. It cemented my bond back to Iowa football, as you can imagine, because it was a social thing.
Unlike your late connection to Purdue football, my dad started taking me to Iowa games when i was about 8 or 9. You can imagine how college football became ingrained in my mindset.
I have difficulties with the changes, especially the transfer portal, and I question whether NIL will cut out teams like Iowa and Purdue from title hopes. That said, Arizona State did well this season, as did Indiana. Of course, I have to say that while the Big 12 is a P-4 conference, it has no helmet schools, and someone has to rise to the top. Indiana is the only real outlier in the playoffs. Not all the evidence is in, so we'll see.

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Re: The Plight of a Non-Helmet Fan in Modern College Football
« Reply #81 on: January 14, 2025, 07:48:51 AM »
It will help the non helmets that NIL has reduced the SEC to a carnival sideshow act. 

 

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