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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2021, 10:00:09 AM »
Big Red is gonna kick ND's ass this year.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2021, 11:16:47 AM »
They certainly took pretty good UGA teams to the wire twice.  I suspect they are a bit short of the elite level teams like Bama and Clemson have had consistently.

A lot of the elite and near elite level teams are replacing good QBs next year, which doesn't mean they will flop of course, but it's a question for them.

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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2021, 11:21:30 AM »
Yes, elite and bad aren't the only two options. There is a wide spectrum, and ND is a lot closer to elite than bad.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2021, 12:13:52 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 03, 2021, 09:43:50 AM
Folks like me have a "feeling" that ND plays a soft schedule and isn't really that good.  That feeling isn't exactly supported by facts.
ND's scheduling difficulty isn't exactly about who they play, but when.  They don't have a conference dictating when they play toughies.  The Irish are able to space out who they play and when to their liking.  They're never stuck wtih playing Wisconsin then @ OSU the following week.
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That is a big deal, whether you FEEL it or not.
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And if you go back and look at the ranked teams they've beaten.....they're nearly 100% PAC and ACC teams.  Idk what their record is vs SEC/B1G the last 20 years, but it's not good.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2021, 12:16:02 PM »
so, conferences do have some ways they can protect their pet teams that have the best chance to make a 4-team playoff by dictating schedules?
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2021, 12:22:02 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 03, 2021, 12:16:02 PM
so, conferences do have some ways they can protect their pet teams that have the best chance to make a 4-team playoff by dictating schedules?
Yes, the way the SEC gave 7? consecutive opponents off-weeks prior to their game vs Alabama one year.  Sure, why not.

Unless a conference is run by a Banana Republic dictator, the scheduling is all above-board, with who you play, home/road, and time of year all being randomzied/evened out over the 12 or 14 or whatever-year span.  
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2021, 12:40:35 PM »
Moos traded everything for the one Black Friday game vs the Hawkeyes

good trade IMO, cause he wasn't going to get much anyway

Kirk doesn't seem to like it, but he doesn't get many favors either
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2021, 12:55:56 PM »
I'd guess the programs argue for certain schedules and the league office grants parts of some and none of others.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2021, 12:58:40 PM »
It seems this way
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2021, 01:11:02 PM »
The Dawgs have been getting a bye week every year before Florida, as does Florida, for a while now.  This was a complaint formerly Dawg fans had that Florida had a bye and UGA didn't before the WLOCP.

UGA also schedules an OOC pastry before Tech, usually, as if they need it.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2021, 01:11:31 PM »
Time-waster thought experiment for fun warning: 

What if we had a League of the Last 15 NCs?  Round robin.  fill them in.
20 Bama, 19 LSU, 18 Cemson, 17 Bama, 16 Clemson, 15 Bama, 14 OSU, 13 FSU, 12 Bama, 11 Bama, 10 Auburn, 09 Bama, 08 Florida, 07 LSU, 06 Florida
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Here's mine, if they actually played...
14-0...'12 Alabama.....no weaknesses
13-1...'19 LSU
12-2...'18 Clemson
11-3...'08 Florida
10-4...'15 Alabama..could just play ball-control against everyone
9-5...'20 Alabama...Saban's worst D...but his best O.
8-6...'09 Alabama
7-7...'14 Ohio State....defense keeps them this low
6-8...'16 Clemson....so many close games
5-9...'11 Alabama.....best pass D maybe ever, but couldn't pass whenever they wanted
4-10...'13 Florida St
3-11...'17 Alabama.....Jake Coker?
2-12...'10 Auburn....1-man team vs 14 national champions?  I don't see it.
1-13...'06 Florida
0-14...'07 LSU
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One could say LSU might bookend this thing, with Burrow & Co. being at the top and their 2-loss NC at the bottom.  All I know is that I'd pay an obscene amount of money to see 19 LSU's pass O vs 11 Bama's pass D. 
Idk, have fun with it. 
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2021, 01:21:12 PM »
06 Florida and 07 LSU will be low on my list.....08 Florida middle-high...09 Bama middle-low....while Cam could dominate a game to a NC, vs fellow NCs, I'm not so sure that would work out well, especially with such an ordinary defense (for a NC).....differentiating the Bamas will be difficult.  I'll probably have 14 OSU lower than most, because their defense wasn't great.....not sure about Watson vs Lawrence Tigers....that FSU team was great, statistically, but like Cam, idk how they'd measure up vs other NCs. 

I know none of these teams is likely to go 14-0 or 0-14 vs the rest, but I put that to force people into ranking them instead of grouping them.  I'm grouping them here somewhat, but will rank them in a bit.

12 Bama over 11.....15 over 17......09 reminds me of 15.....idk where 20 Bama fits in there.  Must be nice to have that problem, lol.

**I figure the top team of this round-robin would go something like 11-3 or 10-4.  
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2021, 05:23:42 PM »
I'm pretty sure the league office does what it can to appease the Top teams.  I know there were a few schedule changes like playing Auburn on the road twice in a row than rankled Dawg fans, there was some reason for it.



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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2021, 05:52:19 PM »
Have you ever made a big schedule for something?  I've done it for school schedules and it's a pain in the butt.  Sometimes, you just have to short someone.  
People find motive where none exists sometimes.
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