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OrangeAfroMan

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The League of 15
« on: April 27, 2021, 06:10:27 PM »
Just for fun.  If it's not fun for you, don't participate.  
Who would be the current, "as of 2020" League of 15 for college football and separately, who would be the all-time 15?  
For now, I'd take into consideration current state of the program, general recruiting ability, ease of improvment, etc.
For all-time, it's honestly win% + NCs as a bonus.  Ex:  Miami doesn't measure up on all-time win%, but their NCs trump Michigan.  
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Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan, Georgia, Florida, Oregon, LSU, Auburn, Penn St, Miami, Florida St, USC
No, some of these don't deserve it on results alone, but in lieu of programs taking their places, these programs simply need the right HC to become juggernauts.  The rest belong based on results.
Just missed:  A&M, Wisconsin, Warshington, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame
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All-Time:
Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan, Ohio St, USC, Texas, Penn St, Tennessee, Notre Dame, Georgia,........then it gets interesting....Florida, FSU, Miami?  Arkansas?  Let's say those 4 and LSU.  
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2021, 08:46:58 AM »

First off 15 is such an arbitrary number (I know it's how big the Euro super team was when the news broke, but they were trying to get more teams,) and 15 is a poor choice for league size, but if 15 is the limiting factor:

For Current - Here is the top 15 wealthiest programs. Notice no Pac-12 or ACC in the list. I think Clemson definitely belongs, but when making a super league money will be the biggest factor.
1 Texas
2 Ohio State
3 Alabama
4 Michigan
5 Notre Dame
6 Georgia
7 Oklahoma
8 Auburn
9 LSU
10 Tennessee


11 Florida
12 Texas A & M
13 Penn State
14 Wisconsin
15 Nebraska


For All Time - Arkansas seems the weakest of that bunch, and Miami was just one decade. Washington, West Virginia, Va Tech, Clemson, and Auburn I think all would have reasonable cases above those 2.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2021, 10:02:26 AM »
The list of most wins all time is not a terrible ranking of whatever.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2021, 10:03:46 AM »
teams with the most wins have most of the money and vice versa 
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2021, 10:26:31 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 28, 2021, 10:02:26 AM
The list of most wins all time is not a terrible ranking of whatever.
So NCs doesn't factor in at all?
That would leave us with Miami behind Ole Miss, whose big decade followed WWII.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2021, 11:07:28 AM »
Miami doesn't belong, neither does Ole Miss so, irrelevant 
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2021, 11:14:39 AM »
Michigan hasn't won the conference in almost 2 decades.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2021, 11:27:57 AM »
I said it's not a terrible ranking, not that it's a perfect ranking.

I'm sure someone could device an algorithm to weight the various factors, which would be fine with me.

One could weight recent performance more than that from the 1930s.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2021, 11:36:00 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 28, 2021, 11:14:39 AM
Michigan hasn't won the conference in almost 2 decades.
And they have 1 (0.5?) NC in the past 70 years.  Let that sink in.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2021, 11:43:13 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on April 28, 2021, 11:36:00 AM
And they have 1 (0.5?) NC in the past 70 years.  Let that sink in.
this could be said about many teams on the list, especially if you only go back 40 or 50 seasons
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2021, 11:54:27 AM »
And I think that's the reason these "historic" programs continue NOT winning NCs year after year.  Recruits don't give a damn about how a school went 9-0 in 1937 when photos were black & white and players were just white.

Sometimes I think if Michigan had a normal-looking helmet, people would treat them like Minnesota or Ole Miss.
Aside from '97, UM's biggest claim to fame the past 70 years is being the Buffalo Bills* of the 1970s, isn't it?



(*90s reference, replace with Minnesota Vikings if you're old as dirt)
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2021, 12:14:42 PM »
Quote from: TyphonInc on April 28, 2021, 08:46:58 AM
First off 15 is such an arbitrary number (I know it's how big the Euro super team was when the news broke, but they were trying to get more teams,) and 15 is a poor choice for league size, but if 15 is the limiting factor:
Wasn't it going to be 20, with 15 permanent members, and a competition to decide the other 5?

It was basically Champions League, but guaranteeing that the biggest clubs always got to advance to the end
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2021, 12:24:27 PM »
That sounds a lot like the CFP, lol.
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Re: The League of 15
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2021, 12:34:28 PM »
Quote from: ELA on April 28, 2021, 12:14:42 PM
Wasn't it going to be 20, with 15 permanent members, and a competition to decide the other 5?

It was basically Champions League, but guaranteeing that the biggest clubs always got to advance to the end

There was several releases of what the "goal" was for the super league. I've read the 15+5 model where the big boys always got a seat. What they had was England, Spain and Italy's 12 biggest clubs and was wanting the German and French mega clubs to sign up too (and I would assume they would take any team from the top 20~ish on this list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deloitte_Football_Money_League#2019%E2%80%9320 )

Back to CFP, if it was me I would go with 64 (looking like the Power 5~ish) and nerf (slightly) the top 5 or 6. I wouldn't have a 15 team league, not interested in seeing Alabama vs Ohio State every year. I don't see Arkansas or Miami on my top 15 list.
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