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Brutus Buckeye

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« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2018, 08:38:13 AM »
Meyer breaks a streak of OSU coaches having a guy win the Heisman that dates back to the 1940s.
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Re: The Hypesman
« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2018, 08:46:15 AM »
Haskins never had a chance at the Heisman as he didn't have ESPN hyping him the whole year. ESPN picks the Heisman winner in this day and age. Without ESPN telling the voters who is going to win, they would actually have to watch the games and decide for themselves. Now they just have to listen to ESPN's brain trust to tell them who the rightful winner is usually starting about mid October. 
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« Reply #44 on: December 11, 2018, 12:35:26 PM »
I guess ESPN constructed the QB rating algorithm, the rushing yardage descrepency, and kept Bama undefeated, too, right?  I really expect more objectivity from some of you guys.
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« Reply #45 on: December 11, 2018, 12:40:34 PM »
I don't think ESPN has anywhere near the influence some appear to think.  Just because they have talk shows that claim this or that doesn't mean anybody of import is paying attention, or is swayed by such talk.

Even if they push the SEC 24/7, that doesn't mean anyone listens.  I don't.  Maybe others shouldn't either.
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Re: The Hypesman
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2018, 02:00:39 PM »
Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on December 11, 2018, 08:46:15 AM
Haskins never had a chance at the Heisman as he didn't have ESPN hyping him the whole year. ESPN picks the Heisman winner in this day and age. Without ESPN telling the voters who is going to win, they would actually have to watch the games and decide for themselves. Now they just have to listen to ESPN's brain trust to tell them who the rightful winner is usually starting about mid October.
The person who would’ve been ESPN favorite in mid-October didn’t win. 
Mid-October was when Haskins started the three-game stretch that helped keep him from winning it. 
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« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2018, 02:22:51 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2018, 12:35:26 PM
I guess ESPN constructed the QB rating algorithm, the rushing yardage descrepency, and kept Bama undefeated, too, right?  I really expect more objectivity from some of you guys.
Well they didn't construct Big 12 defenses. 
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« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2018, 03:23:04 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2018, 07:43:28 AM
Right, not the most productive ones.  
well is the award for the guy with the best stats or the best player?
Because to me, all things being equal, Haskins was better than Murray or Tua. That's not a knock on Tua or Murray. Haskins just does things they can't do. Some of the throws he made this year were just insane. It's one thing to have a rocket arm, but it's another thing entirely to have an ACCURATE rocket arm. Lotta guys with rockets have accuracy issues. Haskins has a gun and he's still about as accurate as it gets.
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« Reply #49 on: December 11, 2018, 04:47:35 PM »
If the best player won the Heisman every year, the #1 draft pick would always be a Heisman winner.  
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« Reply #50 on: December 11, 2018, 04:49:25 PM »
Hell, with Meyer’s offensive system, you could argue both Tua and Murray were better suited to run it. Haskins’ limited running skills could have hampered OSU’s offense.  
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« Reply #51 on: December 11, 2018, 05:16:40 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2018, 04:47:35 PM
If the best player won the Heisman every year, the #1 draft pick would always be a Heisman winner.  
not
some NFL teams always want to take a QB
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« Reply #52 on: December 11, 2018, 05:49:58 PM »
Don't they all have accurate cannons?  



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« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2018, 06:19:05 PM »
some cannons have more range, some more accuracy

a very few have both - like Jeff George
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Re: The Hypesman
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2018, 06:23:35 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2018, 05:49:58 PM
Don't they all have accurate cannons?  
Um, no.
Cam Newton and Josh Allen both come to mind immediately. Both of those guys are big dudes with huge arms. And both of them suck at throwing the football.
Not saying he’s Favre or Marino or Elway or Rodgers, but like those guys- Haskins has got a rocket and he’s very accurate. There’s really only a handful of those guys in the history of the NFL. Most guys with a howitzer just aren’t accurate for whatever reason.
Accuracy is the #1 most important thing for a QB. It’s why guys like Montana and Brady and Brees and Warner and Peyton are all-time greats.
Arm strength is only a plus when you’re an accurate passer. Doesn’t do you any good to have a rocket launcher and not be able to hit the broadside of a barn. See: Newton, Cam.
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Re: The Hypesman
« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2018, 06:30:43 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 11, 2018, 04:47:35 PM
If the best player won the Heisman every year, the #1 draft pick would always be a Heisman winner.  
"most outstanding player", in college football, of course.
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