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Topic: The Great Wall of Dallas

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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2019, 01:40:17 PM »
Then if we link DAL's OL to Emmitt's success, his best years were pre-Allen......
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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2019, 01:54:22 PM »
1995 Emmitt career bests in a season - 1773 yards, 25 TDs, 110.8 YPG, 62 rec, 377 carries
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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2019, 02:00:55 PM »
this copied from Wikipedia, I didn't write it...................

Playing style
As a runner, Smith was consistently effective, though not dazzling in style. "(Smith) darted, slithered and followed his blockers, and squeezed yard after yard out of plays that didn't have any yards in them. He didn't look especially fast or powerful or blindingly deceptive, yet he couldn't be stopped."[14] Smith was noted for being a very durable back with excellent vision, tremendous leg strength, and great balance, and was known as one of the best second-effort runners ever.[40] Smith was also a reliable receiver and an excellent blocker in pass protection.[41]

During his career, he was often compared to Detroit Lions Hall of Fame running back Barry Sanders, as both men were extremely successful for their respective teams and combined for 8 rushing titles during the 1990s. Some give Smith the edge for his consistent "north-south" style that took full advantage of Dallas' talented offensive line, while some think Sanders' spectacular running style with sudden changes of direction made him a better back.[42] Observers agree, though, that both Smith and Sanders were among the best running backs in league history.[43][44][45]
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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2019, 02:27:03 PM »
bingo
mine might have been skewed cause I have a healthy amount of hate for the Cowboys
were you a huge Lions/Barry Sanders fan?
did you hate the Cowboys?
Indifferent to all of them 

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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2019, 03:07:30 PM »
Then if we link DAL's OL to Emmitt's success, his best years were pre-Allen......
I thought we’re talking about grading O-lines?

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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2019, 03:51:35 PM »
pre-Allen, post-Allen, the great wall of Dallas graded very well.
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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2019, 04:19:06 PM »
why not put this in the Draft thread?
An O-lineman that was arrested in College?  probably a indicator of greatness.  Bad grades in college or high school??? Big uglies don't need much education to line up and pile drive folks.
Yes, the Hershel Walker trade was what built the dynasty, along with Jimmy Johnson's need for speed.
Aikman wasn't the greatest QB in history, Irvin wasn't the greatest receiver, and Emmitt in my opinion wasn't the greatest running back, but together with moose Johnson and the O-line, plus the great defense, put the Cowboys on top for a long time
Totally agree, it was just a pretty great combination that worked well together. I think people also understate how good TE Jay Novacek was, and underestimate his importance to that offense.

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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2019, 04:33:19 PM »
Houck's first pro coaching experience came with the Los Angeles Rams, where he coached the offensive line from 1983 to 1991.

Houck spent one season as offensive line coach for the Seattle Seahawks in 1992. Seahawks running back Chris Warren logged the first 1,000-yard rushing season of his career with Houck tutoring his blockers.

Houck spent the next nine years coaching the offensive line for the Dallas Cowboys. At times during Houck's tenure the Cowboys' line was one of the most dominant in the history of the game. The 203 sacks they allowed in nine years under Houck were the fewest of any NFL team in that span. Six offensive linemen earned 22 trips to the Pro Bowl under Houck, including Larry Allen (7), Nate Newton (5), Erik Williams (4), Ray Donaldson (2), Mark Stepnoski (2) and Mark Tuinei (2). Hall of Fame running back Emmitt Smith earned a pair of rushing titles during Houck's tenure, and rushed for over 1,000 yards every season. He was also the assistant head coach from 1994 to 1997.

After the firing of Chan Gailey in 2000, he was considered as one of the candidates to take over the head coaching duties of the Dallas Cowboys, which eventually went to Dave Campo.[2]

With the San Diego Chargers from 2002 to 2004, Houck transformed one of the league's worst offensive lines to one of the best. Running back LaDainian Tomlinson rushed for more than 1,300 yards in each of Houck's three seasons with the team. With five new starters on the line in 2004, the Chargers ranked tenth in total offense and sixth in rushing. The Chargers allowed fewer than 25 sacks per season under Houck.

Houck was hired to work for the Miami Dolphins head coach Nick Saban. During his first year with the Dolphins in 2005, Houck's offensive line ranked fourth in the NFL in fewest sacks allowed. In 2007, Houck was reunited[vague] with then Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron. Houck and Cameron worked together in San Diego when Cameron was offensive coordinator for the Chargers.
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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2019, 05:49:32 PM »
But I haven't heard the "he was good because of his OL" for Tomlinson, so....


It's all so variable and imo, largely unknown.  It may be unknowable, but I'm not ready to just throw in the towel.  
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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2019, 05:50:23 PM »
I thought we’re talking about grading O-lines?
We are, but I had previously been assured having Larry Allen to block for him made him look so good.
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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2019, 06:56:15 PM »
We are, but I had previously been assured having Larry Allen to block for him made him look so good.
Well, Emmitt's all-pro seasons (92-95) don't overlap with Allen's all-pro seasons (96-01). But Emmitt had pro bowl seasons during two of Allen's all-pro seasons. 
And in Emmitt's '95 all-pro season, he had pro bowlers in Allen, Newton, Tuinei, and Ray Donaldson (C) who I missed. Not to mention Novacek at TE. So 5 of the 6 OL spots (including TE) were pro-bowlers.
So yeah, it's not all Larry Allen. He didn't arrive until midway through Emmitt's all-pro stretch. 

But clearly he had a damn good line in front of him.

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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2019, 07:06:07 PM »
Also had a really good fullback in Daryl Johnston and a good deep threat (for a while) with Alvin Harper. Lots of weapons on that offense.
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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2019, 07:44:43 PM »
But I haven't heard the "he was good because of his OL" for Tomlinson, so....


It's all so variable and imo, largely unknown.  It may be unknowable, but I'm not ready to just throw in the towel.  
Was Tomlinson having seasons where 3 or 4 of his starting OL was making the Pro Bowl?  Legitimately asking because my memory isn’t what is used to be but I if he did I don’t remember it.
The general consensus is that Smith was surrounded by better players so his numbers were a little easier to come by.  It’s just that simple. 

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Re: The Great Wall of Dallas
« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2019, 08:03:03 PM »
Was Tomlinson having seasons where 3 or 4 of his starting OL was making the Pro Bowl?  Legitimately asking because my memory isn’t what is used to be but I if he did I don’t remember it.
The general consensus is that Smith was surrounded by better players so his numbers were a little easier to come by.  It’s just that simple.
I'm just poking and prodding the general consensus because it was a consensus without any statistical support.  It's nerdy and my not yield much, but it's more productive than bitching about how we should all just accept it based on faith.
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We know good skill position players will help increase the stats.  We also know good OL play will increase the stats.  But we don't know what % either should get credit for.  To compare it to baseball again, it's the age-old unknown of what % of defense is pitching, defense, and luck?  Or what % of overall baseball is defense?  

It's just something to work out and play around with....better than just shrugging and going back to playing with one's belly-button.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2019, 08:20:05 PM by OrangeAfroMan »
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