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Topic: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)

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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #350 on: November 13, 2023, 11:51:59 PM »
I'd agree with you but I wasn't alive 
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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #351 on: November 14, 2023, 12:39:31 AM »
The ducks didn't???

When where they good w/o Nike $$$?
That was sarcasm.

Maybe a ? at the end helps.
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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #352 on: November 14, 2023, 09:28:54 AM »
I'm not sure why Lanning would leave Oregon for A&M.  He's proving he can be in the hunt for it all where he's at, why go to a cult on the chance you can replicate what you're already doing where you are?

I agree Lanning is unlikely to bolt, but competing in the B1G will get tougher for them.

Dan Lanning will most certainly bolt for the first big SEC/Southern job that comes calling.

Why?

The SEC Coaching ranks are the ultimate personality cult for someone with the Type A, combative, hyper aggressions of Lanning to strive for as a hardboiled coaching destiny.

No matter how good Lanning is appearing at Oregon, I DON’T believe Lanning will be much of a step up from Mark Stoops at Kentucky or Shane Beamer at South Carolina.

One reason to point out is how Oregon conversely makes coaches look better than they turn out elsewhere. I say ‘conversely’ because a resource-rich program like Texas A&M can be held back by a plateaued coach like Jimbo Fisher. But rarely is this dynamic reversed where it’s the program that uplifts and gets the most out of the coach, not the other way around.

We’re witnessing a decade of coaches moving on from Oregon and never finding the success at higher profile opportunities that they had as Ducks – Chip Kelly at UCLA/Eagles, Mark Helfrich (never mind), Willie Taggart at Florida State, Mario Cristobal at Miami.

Meanwhile, Oregon remains a consistently fine program.

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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #353 on: November 14, 2023, 09:34:00 AM »
A possibility is they offer A, then B, then C, all of whom turn it down, and they are left with .... Z.


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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #354 on: November 14, 2023, 09:35:09 AM »
that's how it usually works
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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #355 on: November 14, 2023, 09:36:44 AM »
A possibility is they offer A, then B, then C, all of whom turn it down, and they are left with .... Z.


that's how it usually works
Meanwhile A,B, and C all get very nice salary increases from their current employers.

The ags are about to make a lot of coaches and their agents, even richer.

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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #356 on: November 14, 2023, 09:48:34 AM »
I've said it before, don't fire your coach until you have his replacement lined up and pretty much committed.

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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #357 on: November 14, 2023, 09:52:12 AM »
Some folks have more money than brains 
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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #358 on: November 14, 2023, 10:00:32 AM »
It's all weird to me, I saw someone claiming that about 20% of coaching hires are "successful" for major programs.  They hired Jimbo to be a great success, and it didn't work out.  OK, fine, but maybe the problem is elsewhere?  Do you have someone in mind who is clearly better?

I know they can throw dollars around at will, but time is a different commodity.  They could well have an 80% chance of firing the FNG in five years.  He might even do WORSE.  Or he does OK, then has a couple promising seasons let's say, goes 10-3 then 11-2, in years 2 and 3 and they write him a BIG contract for 7 years and then they drop back to 9-4 and 8-5.

And if you get into the fire and hire pattern like Tennessee, you really start to thrash about, and I'm hearing some disgruntlement now with Heupel.  

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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #359 on: November 14, 2023, 10:05:41 AM »
A possibility is they offer A, then B, then C, all of whom turn it down, and they are left with .... Z.

Hey, that's how we got Orgeron, and that worked out for 1 of the 5 years he was there.  Ignore the other 80%, the admin certainly seems to.  They're still congratulating themselves for being geniuses with that one.  

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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #360 on: November 14, 2023, 10:33:37 AM »
I worried about this when Richt was fired, but at least they had "their guy" lined up ahead of time.  Richt was doing OK.  I didn't know of course if Smart would do better, I guess he's turned out decently well.

It's a rather risky proposition to fire a coach who is doing "pretty well" when you think you should be in the title hunt nearly every year.  Not many programs can sustain that, and some that get tired of 9-4 find an FNG who ends up averaging 8 wins.

Take Florida, they are in a bind here already in Year 2.  I don't think the change it up, but Napier clearly is "on the clock".

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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #361 on: November 14, 2023, 10:37:22 AM »
A possibility is they offer A, then B, then C, all of whom turn it down, and they are left with .... Z.


I remember Tennessee a few years ago.
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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #362 on: November 14, 2023, 11:06:21 AM »
I worried about this when Richt was fired, but at least they had "their guy" lined up ahead of time.  Richt was doing OK.  I didn't know of course if Smart would do better, I guess he's turned out decently well.

It's a rather risky proposition to fire a coach who is doing "pretty well" when you think you should be in the title hunt nearly every year.  Not many programs can sustain that, and some that get tired of 9-4 find an FNG who ends up averaging 8 wins.

Take Florida, they are in a bind here already in Year 2.  I don't think the change it up, but Napier clearly is "on the clock".
When Purdue had Joe Tiller, he was getting into his later years and there was a cadre of fans that wanted to get rid of him. He put together a program that was a consistent bowl program, could beat up on the OOC patsies and the bottom of the Big Ten, but would get routinely beaten down by the power programs of the conference. That was good for 7 to 9 wins a year. 

A bunch of fans wanted him gone to find a coach who could take us to "the next level". 

Well, when he left, we got one who took us to the next level. It was one level down. We booted him and got one that we thought would do better. He took us to a truly new level--he was the worst-performing coach in Purdue history. 

I generally think it's a bad idea to fire a successful coach in the hopes that you find one even more successful. Certainly seemed to work for UGA, but hasn't really seemed to be a consistently good strategy when tried elsewhere. 

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Re: The Ghost Of Harbaugh Has Arrived in Happy Valley (SOC 11/11/23)
« Reply #363 on: November 14, 2023, 11:25:26 AM »
it's all in the booster's definition of Success
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