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Topic: The future of bowl games ...

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The future of bowl games ...
« on: July 02, 2023, 01:31:58 PM »
If you want, take a crack of bowls that WILL survive fine (nonplayoff), bowls that might straggle along, and bowls that will end almost certainly,.

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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2023, 02:02:53 PM »
The total number will stay around 40 with the bottom 10 being replaced year after year
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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2023, 04:46:29 PM »
Eventually all Schools that don't make the playoffs will be given the option to play a 13th game after a 12-game regular season.    Schools can choose to go to a neutral site game and call it a bowl game if they like.  Or they can have an actual 13th game scheduled at home or the road, which they can cancel or change if one or both of the teams goes to the playoffs or it's CCG.

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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2023, 07:43:46 PM »
yup. the bottom stays the same\\

why not?

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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2023, 10:36:23 AM »
As long as the TV ratings are as high as they are, the most bottom-feeding bowls are here to stay:


https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1605662966270959616

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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2023, 12:12:05 PM »
I went with "something weird" because:


https://youtu.be/nt7-WKXL5vw

There are some good points made here:
The total number will stay around 40 with the bottom 10 being replaced year after year
As long as the TV ratings are as high as they are, the most bottom-feeding bowls are here to stay:


https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/1605662966270959616
These two are related. Live sports generate solid advertising revenue as long as there are a decent number of viewers and you can see from @CatsbyAZ 's post that even garbage bowls are doing about as well as great CBB matchups and NBA games so some network will pay enough to entice a city to try their hand at hosting. 

As per @longhorn320 's post, however, a lot of those cities will find that it isn't worth their efforts so there will be turnover. 

I do think that the playoffs tend to suck all the oxygen out of the room so to speak. As they expand there will be less and less interest in non-playoff bowls. 

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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2023, 12:44:47 PM »
I went with "something weird" because:


https://youtu.be/nt7-WKXL5vw

There are some good points made here:These two are related. Live sports generate solid advertising revenue as long as there are a decent number of viewers and you can see from @CatsbyAZ 's post that even garbage bowls are doing about as well as great CBB matchups and NBA games so some network will pay enough to entice a city to try their hand at hosting.

As per @longhorn320 's post, however, a lot of those cities will find that it isn't worth their efforts so there will be turnover.

I do think that the playoffs tend to suck all the oxygen out of the room so to speak. As they expand there will be less and less interest in non-playoff bowls.

I tend to agree, but I also thought that even a 4-team playoff would make a significant dent in the viewership for the minor bowls, but they still continue to bring in good enough ratings to remain televised.

Good point from lh320 though on the host cities/venues.  They could definitely lose interest, but I suspect there will always be someone else to replace them, for a short time anyway.

And I'm not sure why so many college football message board fans are so down on the minor bowl games, to be honest.  It's MORE football.  I'm fine with that.  By the end of May I'd absolutely LOVE to watch the weedeater bowl or the muffler bowl.

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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2023, 02:55:48 PM »
I tend to agree, but I also thought that even a 4-team playoff would make a significant dent in the viewership for the minor bowls, but they still continue to bring in good enough ratings to remain televised.
I hadn't thought of this until reading your comment but come to think of it, maybe we shouldn't be surprised that playoff expansion hasn't had much impact on viewership for  games like the Weedeater and Muffler Bowls.

Interest in the lower tier bowls was never dependent upon NC, top-10, or even rankings because the teams in those bowls aren't really part of that conversation.

Now that I'm thinking it through, the biggest losers from playoff expansion are probably the second tier bowls and the non-CFP former first-tier bowls.

For example, your team and mine played in the 2009 Fiesta Bowl (2008 season). At the time that game was a big deal.Texas was 11-1 and ranked #3. Ohio State was 10-2 and ranked #10.

Texas BARELY missed the B12CG on a tiebreaker (with OU whom they beat and TxTech who beat them). Ohio State's situation was somewhat similar as they were co-champions of the Big11Ten but lost the RB tiebreaker due to a one-score loss to Penn State just like Texas missed the B12CG due to a one-score loss to TxTech.

The NC was off the table but a top-5 ranking was clearly on the table for Texas and possibly also for Ohio State, final rankings:
  • 13-1 Florida, beat #2 OU in BCSNCG
  • 13-0 Utah, beat #4 Bama in Sugar
  • 12-1 USC, beat #6 PSU in Rose
  • 12-1 Texas, beat #10 tOSU in Fiesta
  • 12-2 Oklahoma, lost to #1 UF in BCSNCG
  • 12-2 Bama, lost to #7 Utah in Sugar
  • 11-2 TCU, beat #9 Boise in Poinsettia
  • 11-2 Penn State, lost to #5 USC in Rose
  • 10-3 Ohio State, lost to #3 Texas in Fiesta
  • 10-3 Oregon, beat #13 OkSU in Holliday

Texas dropped a spot and Ohio State climbed a spot despite the Texas win in large part because it was a very close game.

If Ohio State had won, there would have been an argument to put them ahead of Texas whom they beat so #4 or possibly #5. However, there would also have been an argument to leave them behind Penn State whom they lost to so #9 or possibly #8 if Texas dropped to #9.

Those are stakes that mattered to people. Now the upper non-CFP bowls are just exhibitions with very limited stakes.

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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2023, 03:37:36 PM »
I hadn't thought of this until reading your comment but come to think of it, maybe we shouldn't be surprised that playoff expansion hasn't had much impact on viewership for  games like the Weedeater and Muffler Bowls.

Interest in the lower tier bowls was never dependent upon NC, top-10, or even rankings because the teams in those bowls aren't really part of that conversation.

Now that I'm thinking it through, the biggest losers from playoff expansion are probably the second tier bowls and the non-CFP former first-tier bowls.

For example, your team and mine played in the 2009 Fiesta Bowl (2008 season). At the time that game was a big deal.Texas was 11-1 and ranked #3. Ohio State was 10-2 and ranked #10.

Texas BARELY missed the B12CG on a tiebreaker (with OU whom they beat and TxTech who beat them). Ohio State's situation was somewhat similar as they were co-champions of the Big11Ten but lost the RB tiebreaker due to a one-score loss to Penn State just like Texas missed the B12CG due to a one-score loss to TxTech.

The NC was off the table but a top-5 ranking was clearly on the table for Texas and possibly also for Ohio State, final rankings:
  • 13-1 Florida, beat #2 OU in BCSNCG
  • 13-0 Utah, beat #4 Bama in Sugar
  • 12-1 USC, beat #6 PSU in Rose
  • 12-1 Texas, beat #10 tOSU in Fiesta
  • 12-2 Oklahoma, lost to #1 UF in BCSNCG
  • 12-2 Bama, lost to #7 Utah in Sugar
  • 11-2 TCU, beat #9 Boise in Poinsettia
  • 11-2 Penn State, lost to #5 USC in Rose
  • 10-3 Ohio State, lost to #3 Texas in Fiesta
  • 10-3 Oregon, beat #13 OkSU in Holliday

Texas dropped a spot and Ohio State climbed a spot despite the Texas win in large part because it was a very close game.

If Ohio State had won, there would have been an argument to put them ahead of Texas whom they beat so #4 or possibly #5. However, there would also have been an argument to leave them behind Penn State whom they lost to so #9 or possibly #8 if Texas dropped to #9.

Those are stakes that mattered to people. Now the upper non-CFP bowls are just exhibitions with very limited stakes.

Yeah, excellent points, well said.

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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2023, 10:17:36 PM »
yup, 5 years from now

the bowl line up will be about the same as the last 5 years

I don't see a reason it will change as long as ESPN can get better ratings than other options that time of year
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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2023, 11:37:47 PM »
 By the end of May I'd absolutely LOVE to watch the weedeater bowl or the muffler bowl.
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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2023, 07:14:36 AM »
If it's irrelevant and makes money now, it can do the same going forward.  
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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2023, 10:11:09 AM »
Good points on tv ratings…..

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Re: The future of bowl games ...
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2023, 09:06:26 PM »
The secret to bowls.

Teams often want to play more football, and enough people want to watch more football. 

You only get 12 shots to make all the work pay off. Might as well get another. 

 

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