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Topic: The CFP Era so far

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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #168 on: January 01, 2020, 01:40:15 PM »
Oregon? Notre Dame?

Really no excuse for USC to not win the PAC  South every year. Even as down as they are, they can still "out athlete" the Hell out of Utah and the the other MTZ teams. UCLA should be the lone obstacle between them and their CCG.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #169 on: January 01, 2020, 02:05:57 PM »
Oregon? Notre Dame?

Really no excuse for USC to not win the PAC  South every year. Even as down as they are, they can still "out athlete" the Hell out of Utah and the the other MTZ teams. UCLA should be the lone obstacle between them and their CCG.
Are you submitting Oregon and ND for most hated? They've already made the playoff.

USC should. But it hasn't. Well, it won one. 

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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #170 on: January 01, 2020, 02:29:22 PM »
I don't think people hate Alabama as much as they have fatigue.  When/if Bama drops a rung, people would then get Clemson fatigue.

The most hated program nationally is ND, easily.  Refuses to join a conference, own TV deal, relevance based on history rather than modern results, etc.



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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #171 on: January 01, 2020, 03:25:02 PM »
Honestly probably Texas.

That’s based on the fact OSU and Clemson’s grips on their league’s are pretty tight. Maybe Auburn breaks through, but getting past Bama and LSU remains mighty tough. USC is, I think, still more wobbly than Texas despite the 7-5 record.

i think some new team will be ahead of Texas in making it, but that’s more about taking the field than anything else.
I think "not Texas."  For one thing, Texas would have to get past OU (as Medina pointed out upthread).  And whatever anyone thinks about the strength of the Big 12 and about OU's 0-4 record in the CFP, OU has owned the Big 12 since 2000.  During that period, OU has won 12 Big 12 championships and Texas has won 2.  The two Texas teams that won the Big 12 during that period were great ones.  The 2005 team went 13-0 and won the NC.  The 2009 team went 13-1, losing only to Bama in the NCG after Chase McCoy was knocked out of the game.
But since then, Texas has been downright mediocre for a blueblood.  5-7, 8-5, 9-4, 8-5, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7, 7-6, 10-4 ("We're BACK!"), 8-5.  That's a decade of football with one good season in there.
Texas' most obvious problem (IMO, anyway) has been the lack of elite QB play.  They have whiffed on Texas HS QBs who have gone and excelled at other schools both in-state and out.  Sam Ehlinger is one tough football player who seems to the heart and soul of the Texas offense, but he is a limited QB (as is OU's Jalen Hurts, which is why I was surprised to see all the thoughts that OU could maybe stay with LSU in a shootout expressed here).
Until Texas recruits/develops a QB who can play at an elite level, which hasn't happened since Chase McCoy left the 40 Acres, they will not come out of the Big 12 season with one loss or undefeated, and thus will not make it to the CFP.
I also agree with Medina that the breakthrough team will probably come out of the Pac-12.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #172 on: January 01, 2020, 03:31:45 PM »
Are you submitting Oregon and ND for most hated? They've already made the playoff.

USC should. But it hasn't. Well, it won one.


No. I was replying to this post by Medina, just above mine but divided by the page break.


I think USC is most likely simply because they have the easiest path. Any SEC team has to get past Bama. Any ACC team has to get past Clemson. Any B1G team has to get past tOSU. Any B12 team has to get past OU. USC has to get past . . .



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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #173 on: January 01, 2020, 04:14:43 PM »
I think "not Texas."  For one thing, Texas would have to get past OU (as Medina pointed out upthread).  And whatever anyone thinks about the strength of the Big 12 and about OU's 0-4 record in the CFP, OU has owned the Big 12 since 2000.  During that period, OU has won 12 Big 12 championships and Texas has won 2.  The two Texas teams that won the Big 12 during that period were great ones.  The 2005 team went 13-0 and won the NC.  The 2009 team went 13-1, losing only to Bama in the NCG after Chase McCoy was knocked out of the game.
But since then, Texas has been downright mediocre for a blueblood.  5-7, 8-5, 9-4, 8-5, 6-7, 5-7, 5-7, 7-6, 10-4 ("We're BACK!"), 8-5.  That's a decade of football with one good season in there.
Texas' most obvious problem (IMO, anyway) has been the lack of elite QB play.  They have whiffed on Texas HS QBs who have gone and excelled at other schools both in-state and out.  Sam Ehlinger is one tough football player who seems to the heart and soul of the Texas offense, but he is a limited QB (as is OU's Jalen Hurts, which is why I was surprised to see all the thoughts that OU could maybe stay with LSU in a shootout expressed here).
Until Texas recruits/develops a QB who can play at an elite level, which hasn't happened since Chase McCoy left the 40 Acres, they will not come out of the Big 12 season with one loss or undefeated, and thus will not make it to the CFP.
I also agree with Medina that the breakthrough team will probably come out of the Pac-12.
So we're mostly in agreement. If it's Texas vs. the field, we take Texas.

But if held to the fire and asked to name a single team with a better chance, it likely comes down to USC or them. USC's coaching situation makes me doubtful, though when they can Helton after next year, they might still have the talent for a Year 2 run with the new guy. 

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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #174 on: January 01, 2020, 07:05:52 PM »
So we're mostly in agreement. If it's Texas vs. the field, we take Texas.

But if held to the fire and asked to name a single team with a better chance, it likely comes down to USC or them. USC's coaching situation makes me doubtful, though when they can Helton after next year, they might still have the talent for a Year 2 run with the new guy.
No, we're mostly not in agreement.  ;)
First, if it's Texas vs. the field, we take the field.  Did you mean to say that, instead of vice-versa?  If so, we are in agreement there.
Second, if it's Texas vs. "a team from the Pac-12," we take the unknown team from the Pac-12.  There's no dominant program in the Pac-12 right now, so one of several teams could rise up and have an undefeated or one-loss championship season.
Third, if it's Texas vs. "a team from the Big 12 not named Oklahoma," I might take the unknown team from the Big 12, and I might give it a name, like Baylor.  But that would depend on whether Matt Rhule leaves for the NFL or not and whether Tom Herman's coaching changes are successful or not.
Fourth, if it's Texas vs. USC, that's a tough one for me to figure.  USC appears to be just better than dumpster-fire status.  If they can get it together, they can be THAT team.  Texas, OTOH, has had a disappointing season that culminated in a sacking of some assistants followed by an impressive bowl win.  Sacking assistants could be a case of making necessary changes, or it could be a case of the HFC buying himself one more year before he's following them out the door.  I think it's probably the former, but what do I know?  I thought that Charlie Strong would do great things in Austin.
There's another factor that may be just too mysterious for us simple Okies to understand, and that is that despite Texas being the huge flagship university in what is on its way to becoming the most populous state, despite having a wealth of resources from vast amounts of public and private money to a gigantic state chock-full of talented football players who mostly grew up dreaming of wearing a cow-pattie orange and white uniform with a cowhead logo on the helmet, there seem to be some hidden factors at work that make it hard to achieve sustained success in Austin.

In the past 60 years, Texas has had two great coaches, Darrell Royal (an Okie and a Sooner) and Mack Brown, both future CFB HoF members.  Between those two, they have accounted for all four of Texas' national championships.  And both of those men left under less-than-happy clouds.  Fred Akers succeeded Royal and left under a hail of criticism to take the Purdue job, despite notching a .731 win percentage.  David McWilliams threw up a .544 win percentage and resigned under fire.  John Mackovic followed with a .592 win percentage that included the infamous "Rout 66" to UCLA in Austin.  He was fired.  Then came Mack Brown, who won at a .769 clip, but didn't beat Oklahoma often enough, so he was effectively forced out.  Then came Charlie Strong, who had a losing (.433) record over 3 years, and he was fired.
What these factors are, I don't know.  I've seen "Austin Malaise" blamed, and I've seen overly energetic attempts on the part of boosters blamed.  I'm sure there are other explanations as well.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #175 on: January 01, 2020, 07:32:59 PM »
we know the SEC is capable of putting two teams in the playoffs

what would it take for the B1G to put in 2 schools?

undefeated PSU and a 1 loss OSU?
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #176 on: January 01, 2020, 07:43:53 PM »
Undefeated Wisconsin and a 1-loss tOSU?
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #177 on: January 01, 2020, 08:19:40 PM »
Depends on the 1 loss.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #178 on: January 01, 2020, 08:41:43 PM »
I was thinking to Wisconsin in the CCG.
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« Reply #179 on: January 01, 2020, 08:43:58 PM »
Might be too much like a loss to Iowa on the road.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #180 on: January 01, 2020, 08:58:55 PM »
No, we're mostly not in agreement.  ;)
First, if it's Texas vs. the field, we take the field.  Did you mean to say that, instead of vice-versa?  If so, we are in agreement there.
Second, if it's Texas vs. "a team from the Pac-12," we take the unknown team from the Pac-12.  There's no dominant program in the Pac-12 right now, so one of several teams could rise up and have an undefeated or one-loss championship season.
Third, if it's Texas vs. "a team from the Big 12 not named Oklahoma," I might take the unknown team from the Big 12, and I might give it a name, like Baylor.  But that would depend on whether Matt Rhule leaves for the NFL or not and whether Tom Herman's coaching changes are successful or not.
Fourth, if it's Texas vs. USC, that's a tough one for me to figure.  USC appears to be just better than dumpster-fire status.  If they can get it together, they can be THAT team.  Texas, OTOH, has had a disappointing season that culminated in a sacking of some assistants followed by an impressive bowl win.  Sacking assistants could be a case of making necessary changes, or it could be a case of the HFC buying himself one more year before he's following them out the door.  I think it's probably the former, but what do I know?  I thought that Charlie Strong would do great things in Austin.
There's another factor that may be just too mysterious for us simple Okies to understand, and that is that despite Texas being the huge flagship university in what is on its way to becoming the most populous state, despite having a wealth of resources from vast amounts of public and private money to a gigantic state chock-full of talented football players who mostly grew up dreaming of wearing a cow-pattie orange and white uniform with a cowhead logo on the helmet, there seem to be some hidden factors at work that make it hard to achieve sustained success in Austin.

In the past 60 years, Texas has had two great coaches, Darrell Royal (an Okie and a Sooner) and Mack Brown, both future CFB HoF members.  Between those two, they have accounted for all four of Texas' national championships.  And both of those men left under less-than-happy clouds.  Fred Akers succeeded Royal and left under a hail of criticism to take the Purdue job, despite notching a .731 win percentage.  David McWilliams threw up a .544 win percentage and resigned under fire.  John Mackovic followed with a .592 win percentage that included the infamous "Rout 66" to UCLA in Austin.  He was fired.  Then came Mack Brown, who won at a .769 clip, but didn't beat Oklahoma often enough, so he was effectively forced out.  Then came Charlie Strong, who had a losing (.433) record over 3 years, and he was fired.
What these factors are, I don't know.  I've seen "Austin Malaise" blamed, and I've seen overly energetic attempts on the part of boosters blamed.  I'm sure there are other explanations as well.
Barry Switzer has long said that Texas is the best coaching job in America.  But I don't believe him, and I don't think he believes that himself.  If it were true, Texas would be Bama and Clemson all rolled up in one mighty Death Star.  But it's not.  So, IMO, he says that either to explain his difficulties in the Red River Shootout (he went 9-5-2 against the Horns but took criticism for every loss) or just to needle whoever is the current Texas coach.
Dang it. Yes. Field over Texas.

And basically yes, Texas over any individual team, but any cluster of teams over Texas.

I just can’t get a read on USC but they have a coach I think has less of a chance to do it and seem poised to have a transition sooner. USC’s run of coaches has likewise been weird of late.

Anyway. Yes, field over Texas, stupid reading comprehension.

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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #181 on: January 01, 2020, 09:04:11 PM »
I was thinking to Wisconsin in the CCG.
I don't think Wisconsin is ever going to get over the hump. It's Wisconsin. No payroll, no influence with the NCAA, no helmet, and very tough admissions.

Not happening.
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