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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #112 on: December 27, 2019, 06:40:18 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 27, 2019, 05:17:02 PM
It's funny, and it makes me laugh.  Not in a cynical way, but in a truly mirthful fashion.

Because even as a fan of a blueblood, I can't come anywhere close to viewing things the way a current tOSU or Alabama fan can.

And they just have NO idea what it looks like for the rest of the college football world.  I mean, not in touch with the reality for the other 128 teams, at all. It must be nice.  And I mean that, sincerely.
You just described our political situation perfectly, without trying to.  And no, I'm not dumping on Trump - everyone running for president every election cycle is rich as hell.  You have to be, because that's how things are set up. 
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #113 on: December 27, 2019, 06:45:35 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 27, 2019, 02:51:56 PM
For sure, but that's why the other 4 power5 conferences would implement the "no 3rd team rule."  Because otherwise, we all know that Disney's selection committee simply couldn't help themselves and this year we'd be seeing LSU, Georgia, and Alabama, all in the 8-team CFP.
You can't just do that.
You could IF the conferences were smaller.  You could IF everyone played everyone else within a conference.  But I can have 11-1 Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, and Florida in a given season, only 2 of which are going to the SECCG and all of which may be an (obvious) top 8 team.  
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You can't just draw a line to draw a line when the overall design is so scrambled.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #114 on: December 27, 2019, 06:49:48 PM »
There can't really be any comparisons to college basketball, other than more doesn't mean better.

Think about it - in CBB, say you're a team in a strong conference.  You can sit there and win 12 games in a row during the regular season vs top competition.  Happens plenty. 
But to win the national championship, you have to win 6 games in a row against (taken altogether) lesser competition than your 12 conference games, while traveling to 3 different places. 

It's genuinely bizarre and the worst example of how to determine the best team.  That's why you have 3 seeds and 5 seeds and an 8 seed who's won it.  An 8 seed.  That means the 32nd-ranked college basketball team was determined the champion.  It's crap. 
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #115 on: December 27, 2019, 11:46:01 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 27, 2019, 06:45:35 PM
You can't just do that.
You could IF the conferences were smaller.  You could IF everyone played everyone else within a conference.  But I can have 11-1 Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, and Florida in a given season, only 2 of which are going to the SECCG and all of which may be an (obvious) top 8 team. 
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You can't just draw a line to draw a line when the overall design is so scrambled.
Except you actually can.  You absolutely can.  And you should.

And they will.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #116 on: December 27, 2019, 11:53:11 PM »
Penalizing a conference for having depth.  Brilliant.  Clemson's got the right idea.
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« Reply #117 on: December 27, 2019, 11:56:49 PM »
Win your conference or GTFO.  It's that simple.

They'll even give you a mulligan for a second team that didn't deserve to get in but you insisted on it anyway.

Three teams from one conference?  Lulz.  Nope.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #118 on: December 28, 2019, 12:08:38 AM »
Because UTEE94 has decreed it!  :96:
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« Reply #119 on: December 28, 2019, 12:14:55 AM »
Sure, why not?

Your statements of absolute are no different.  You state your opinion as fact.  Many disagree.  You belittle them.  Because you view yourself as a superior intellect.

I can assure you, you are not. 

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« Reply #120 on: December 28, 2019, 01:41:35 AM »
Here, maybe just try to refute what I said.
Making up a rule like a 2-team limit in an 8-team playoff penalizes a conference for possessing depth.  That is a logical statement.  It's not the opinion of an arrogant person. 
The rule you propose is conjured from nothing.  It's random.  Arbitrary.  My comment about it was me hoping you'd defend it.  But you didn't.  Will you now?  Please?
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And try to avoid the argumentum ad populem, if you would.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #121 on: December 28, 2019, 07:43:00 AM »
A three team rule seems directly targeted at the SEC, but might not work that way in reality, if it happened.  I lean to thinking it wouldn't happen.  My GUESS is they'd include the best G5 team in the playoff as a semi-pastry for the one seed.  That would leave only two slots for at larges, and it would be very rare indeed that both would be from the same conference, rare enough not to worry about it.

Would that have occurred any time in the past 20 years, possibly?  When UGA and Bama both made the top four, Auburn might have slid in to 8.  Maybe.  They had three losses, probably not.  I think you'd need two 12-0 teams in the CG and one very good looking 11-1 team AL when nobody else was that good.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #122 on: December 28, 2019, 10:19:47 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 01:41:35 AM
Here, maybe just try to refute what I said.
Making up a rule like a 2-team limit in an 8-team playoff penalizes a conference for possessing depth.  That is a logical statement.  It's not the opinion of an arrogant person. 
The rule you propose is conjured from nothing.  It's random.  Arbitrary.  My comment about it was me hoping you'd defend it.  But you didn't.  Will you now?  Please?
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And try to avoid the argumentum ad populem, if you would.

I'm not refuting what you said.  I'm arguing that there will be more factors involved than simply trying to get the "8 best teams" into a CFP.

A 2-team limit is certainly arbitrary with respect to sporting regulations.  But it's not arbitrary at all with respect to political and financial maneuvering.  The 4 non-SEC conferences don't want the SEC to get 3 teams in, ever.  The 3 non-BiG and non-SEC conferences are confident they won't get a 3rd team in, anyway, so there's no risk in instituting such a rule.

You can argue that it doesn't make sense from a sporting viewpoint, and I'd agree with that.  But that's not what this is about.

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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #123 on: December 28, 2019, 10:33:32 AM »
2014:
SEC - 2
PAC - 1
ACC - 1
B1G - 2
XII - 2
first team out:  SEC
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2015:
ACC - 1
SEC - 1
B1G - 3
XII - 1
PAC - 1
ND
first team out:  ACC
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2016:
SEC - 1
ACC - 1
B1G - 4
PAC - 1
XII - 1
first team out: PAC
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2017:
ACC - 1
XII - 1
SEC - 3
B1G - 2
PAC - 1
first team out:  B1G
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2018
SEC - 2
ACC - 1
ND
XII - 1
B1G - 2
AAC - 1
(PAC - 0)
first team out:  PAC
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2019:
SEC - 2
B1G - 2
ACC - 1
XII - 2
PAC - 1
first team out:  SEC
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So the arbitrary rule that no conference can have 3+ teams in the playoff would have hurt the Big Ten twice and the SEC once (in the playoff era).  So instead of that 3rd (or 4th) team that earned their spot on the field, a lesser team from further down the rankings should get in.  Right?!?
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #124 on: December 28, 2019, 10:38:41 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 28, 2019, 10:33:32 AM


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So the arbitrary rule that no conference can have 3+ teams in the playoff would have hurt the Big Ten twice and the SEC once (in the playoff era).  So instead of that 3rd (or 4th) team that earned their spot on the field, a lesser team from further down the rankings should get in.  Right?!?

Sure.  We don't even know if they're a "lesser" team, it's all guesswork anyway, so what does it matter?  And again, I'm not saying it's fair with respect to sporting regs.  Just saying it's a political maneuver that is likely to happen, and I'm fine with it.
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Re: The CFP Era so far
« Reply #125 on: December 28, 2019, 10:41:09 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on December 28, 2019, 07:43:00 AM
A three team rule seems directly targeted at the SEC, but might not work that way in reality, if it happened.  I lean to thinking it wouldn't happen.  My GUESS is they'd include the best G5 team in the playoff as a semi-pastry for the one seed.  That would leave only two slots for at larges, and it would be very rare indeed that both would be from the same conference, rare enough not to worry about it.

Would that have occurred any time in the past 20 years, possibly?  When UGA and Bama both made the top four, Auburn might have slid in to 8.  Maybe.  They had three losses, probably not.  I think you'd need two 12-0 teams in the CG and one very good looking 11-1 team AL when nobody else was that good.
This is a reasonable counter, good point.  If the 8-team playoff is constructed to automatically include a G5 team, then I could see the architects not instituting the 2-teams-only rule.  But if it's an open 3 at-large, then I think the rule is still instituted.

It doesn't matter how unlikely it is.  Getting even 2 teams into a 4-team playoff was highly unlikely, and yet it happened after only 3 seasons.
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