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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2024, 08:05:11 AM »
and fewer folks get upset over policies if they're living amongst their own
I live amongst my own: Americans. 

And I suppose arguing about policy, to a degree, is very American. 

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2024, 08:06:16 AM »
The Wisconsin capitol is beautiful, as is Madison.

But I could not live there.
Couldn’t for the town, or just the politics?

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2024, 08:11:01 AM »
I don't mind throwing ideas around. It's a message board and there is no football or basketball to discuss.

Let's look at the "old" football conferences as countries. 1998, let's say.

Big Ten
Big 12
SEC
Pac 10
ACC
Big East

OK, there is some overlap. No biggie.

Big East keeps PA. ACC and Big East merge. 

SEC keeps Florida, SC and GA. 

Big Ten keeps Iowa. 

AZ schools go to the Big 12.

Look at that alignment on a map. Makes some sense.


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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2024, 08:11:42 AM »
Try original Federalists believed in a strong national government. At least that was my impression from social studies many decades ago.
No. Just the opposite.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2024, 08:14:00 AM »
Couldn’t for the town, or just the politics?
It's just way too liberal for me/us.

Thankfully all of my classes were on the "engineering side".
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #75 on: June 22, 2024, 08:17:20 AM »
Federalist Party, early U.S. national political party that advocated a strong central government and held power from 1789 to 1801, during the rise of the country’s political party system. The term federalist was first used in 1787 to describe the supporters of the newly written Constitution, who emphasized the federal character of the proposed union. Between October 1787 and August 1788, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison wrote a series of 85 essays that appeared in various New York newspapers attributed to the pseudonym “Publius.” The Federalist papers (formally The Federalist), as the combined essays are called, were written to combat Anti-Federalism and to persuade the public of the necessity of the Constitution.The Federalist papers stressed the need for an adequate central government and argued that the republican form of government easily could be adapted to the large expanse of territory and widely divergent interests found in the United States. The essays were immediately recognized as the most powerful defense of the new Constitution.

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #76 on: June 22, 2024, 08:19:29 AM »
American politics became increasingly democratic during the 1820s and ’30s. Local and state offices that had earlier been appointive became elective. Suffrage was expanded as property and other restrictions on voting were reduced or abandoned in most states. The freehold requirement that had denied voting to all but holders of real estate was almost everywhere discarded before 1820, while the taxpaying qualification was also removed, if more slowly and gradually. In many states a printed ballot replaced the earlier system of voice voting, while the secret ballot also grew in favour. Whereas in 1800 only two states provided for the popular choice of presidential electors, by 1832 only South Carolina still left the decision to the legislature. Conventions of elected delegates increasingly replaced legislative or congressional caucuses as the agencies for making party nominations. By the latter change, a system for nominating candidates by self-appointed cliques meeting in secret was replaced by a system of open selection of candidates by democratically elected bodies.

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #77 on: June 22, 2024, 08:24:26 AM »
Obviously, I chose to live in a "Blue City" (nearly all large cities are "blue").  It really has no impact on my life, at least nothing surprising.  I'm not sure a "conservative" Mayor et al. would change much of anything I can discern.  They'd probably make noise about cutting taxes, but that would be reflected in cutting spending (which no doubt is wasteful, but probably would be under conservatives as well).

The "red-blue" schism, to me, seems to be mostly irrelevant on a local level.   I voted for a very liberal mayor in Cincinnati because we were friends and she was competent.  I couldn't think of anything she'd do that would be "liberal" in a small village anyway.  (She lost.)

Could I live and thrive in Madison?  Except for the winters, I suspect I'd be fine.

I once had a notion of moving to Florida, buying a cheap condo, living a year and converting all my retirement to Roth IRA stuff, and then moving to California.  The math didn't work very well for me.  The Feds would tag me pretty hard.

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #78 on: June 22, 2024, 08:32:49 AM »
Federalist Party, early U.S. national political party that advocated a strong central government and held power from 1789 to 1801, during the rise of the country’s political party system. The term federalist was first used in 1787 to describe the supporters of the newly written Constitution, who emphasized the federal character of the proposed union. Between October 1787 and August 1788, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay, and James Madison wrote a series of 85 essays that appeared in various New York newspapers attributed to the pseudonym “Publius.” The Federalist papers (formally The Federalist), as the combined essays are called, were written to combat Anti-Federalism and to persuade the public of the necessity of the Constitution.The Federalist papers stressed the need for an adequate central government and argued that the republican form of government easily could be adapted to the large expanse of territory and widely divergent interests found in the United States. The essays were immediately recognized as the most powerful defense of the new Constitution.
There are different views here. This was all about getting the Constitution ratified. A Constitution that gave power to the states. Some states wanted even more power, but at some point, we needed a unified country - not a collection of small states.

Were we ever truly united? Some would say no.

Are we united now? Most would say no.

Read my WSJ article. It's good.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #79 on: June 22, 2024, 08:42:03 AM »
The previous Confederation system of government was too decentralized.  Federalists wanted a stronger central government, and finally got it.

There has always been conflict in the US politically (and once quite militarily).  And the core of said conflict is quite often a fight between local rights and central government.

If you design a very centralized government like say they have in France, you end up with civilian protests which can be quite impactful, if the head does something they don't like.  France is much more centralized than the US, and Macron has rather amazing powers should he choose to use them, and is quite unpopular as a result of using them.  Their education is entirely controlled by the Federal government for example (aside from some private schools).

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #80 on: June 22, 2024, 09:07:33 AM »
What would we be if we were to have five countries, split up into ones like I proposed with the football conferences?

The American Union, similar to the EU? 

A collection of countries using the same currency and military alliance?
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #81 on: June 22, 2024, 09:19:33 AM »
What would we be if we were to have five countries, split up into ones like I proposed with the football conferences?

The American Union, similar to the EU?

A collection of countries using the same currency and military alliance?
Strange idea.  But then again, I'm sure the idea of a democratic republic seemed quite strange to the monarchies back in the day.

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #82 on: June 22, 2024, 09:24:49 AM »
I know it's a strange idea, but it's a message board and we are out of season (unless you like college baseball).

It's something to ponder.

The West Coast is nothing like the Southeast, which is nothing like the Northeast.

The Great Lakes are complicated. Illinois and Minnesota are blue bastions (because of their large cities). Indiana, Iowa* and Ohio are red. Michigan and Wisconsin are purple.

* Iowa is not a Great Lakes state.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #83 on: June 22, 2024, 09:29:37 AM »
If Santa Anna slipped and fell on a rock we could have been building the wall on the Oklahoma border.

 

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