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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2024, 11:43:18 AM »
Yep, not anymore. Same with Lake. We lived there for about 10 years, in Gurnee, before Palatine. Lake was red when we moved there, and blue when we left.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2024, 12:29:39 PM »

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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2024, 10:30:30 PM »
Sure you can. You can move to another country.  I cant think of a state law in Texas that makes me want to escape.  Now California is another matter. So many weird laws exist in California that yes I would consider moving from there.

But rather then trying to hide from a state law why not change the state governing body.  Its called democracy
It's all democracy, at the national, state, and local level.  I'm jut advocating for the smaller bubble of it.  
I could make the case that stopping at the state level is lazy.  No state of any real size/population is even 60/40 on big issues.
But individual communities/towns/counties can easily be more homogenous in its ideals and values.  
Why should 80% of Austin have to be outraged every time the Texas legislature comes up with another bad idea?  

County level will represent a population better than state level, just as state level is better than national level.
It simply changes things from "can't do it" to "can do it one town over" for many things.  

I just don't see the downside.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2024, 12:07:36 AM »
It's all democracy, at the national, state, and local level.  I'm jut advocating for the smaller bubble of it. 
I could make the case that stopping at the state level is lazy.  No state of any real size/population is even 60/40 on big issues.
But individual communities/towns/counties can easily be more homogenous in its ideals and values. 
Why should 80% of Austin have to be outraged every time the Texas legislature comes up with another bad idea? 

County level will represent a population better than state level, just as state level is better than national level.
It simply changes things from "can't do it" to "can do it one town over" for many things. 

I just don't see the downside.
If I understand your idea is what is done at the state level would be done at the county level instead.

There are oner 3,000 counties in the US which by just the size of this would make it very difficult to get anything done at the state level

Would each county have representatives in Congress? How would the National Guard be called out if needed at two different places at the same time.  How are voting districts boundries decided.

Counties already do a large part of law enforcement as well as processing various things such as property taxes.





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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2024, 12:37:51 AM »
It's all democracy, at the national, state, and local level.  I'm jut advocating for the smaller bubble of it. 
I could make the case that stopping at the state level is lazy.  No state of any real size/population is even 60/40 on big issues.
But individual communities/towns/counties can easily be more homogenous in its ideals and values. 
Why should 80% of Austin have to be outraged every time the Texas legislature comes up with another bad idea? 

County level will represent a population better than state level, just as state level is better than national level.
It simply changes things from "can't do it" to "can do it one town over" for many things. 

I just don't see the downside.

Lulz.  Terrible example.  Austin voters are the absolute worst.  Complete morons.  The only outrage they ever experience is when somebody tries to block them from emulating the absolute idiocy embodied by the dunce voters of San Francisco or Portland or Seattle.  And even then it's just faux outrage because hipster doofuses are incapable of feeling real emotion.

Beyond that though, I agree with you.  Important matters that affect the day to day lives of citizens should be pushed down to the lowest possible level of governance.


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« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2024, 12:40:11 AM »
If I understand your idea is what is done at the state level would be done at the county level instead.

There are oner 3,000 counties in the US which by just the size of this would make it very difficult to get anything done at the state level  Why do you need to do anything at the state level anymore?

Would each county have representatives in Congress?  No
How would the National Guard be called out if needed at two different places at the same time. Divide it up how you would now.
How are voting districts boundries decided.  The same way they are now, but without the gerrymandering

Counties already do a large part of law enforcement as well as processing various things such as property taxes.
The states would retain some responsibilities, but they'd mostly be an umbrella in name.  No more need to be an umbrella of policy for the 45% who disagree.
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« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2024, 12:40:57 AM »
Lulz.  Terrible example.  Austin voters are the absolute worst.  Complete morons.  The only outrage they ever experience is when somebody tries to block them from emulating the absolute idiocy embodied by the dunce voters of San Francisco or Portland or Seattle.  And even then it's just faux outrage because hipster doofuses are incapable of feeling real emotion.

Beyond that though, I agree with you.  Important matters that affect the day to day lives of citizens should be pushed down to the lowest possible level of governance.


Was just picking a blue dot from a sea of red.
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« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2024, 12:43:49 AM »
Over time, whether it's good or bad, people may self-segregate, based on ideology. We've sorta already done that with the blue dots of cities and the red swaths of nearly-empty land, where at the state level, they bludgeon each other over every single thing.

Well, at least they'd get to easily shape their county the way they see fit.  No more Rs in D-heavy Austin deciding what to do for Ds in El Paso or Rs in Abilene.  

Sticking to this home base of states' rights because the Constitution is all about it is just an antiquated idea.  It wasn't a bad idea, but there's 350 million people now and 50 states. 

A state is too much (not you, Rhode Island peninsula).
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2024, 12:44:29 AM »
Was just picking a blue dot from a sea of red.

I hear ya.  Like I said, I agree with you in principle.  And what you're advocating actually exists, to a certain extent.  I was able to leave Austin and go one town over and experience a much higher quality of life.

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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2024, 12:53:57 AM »
Okay, good.
I'm the idea man, so I did my part.  I got the ball rolling.  Now ya'll go out and  make it happen.  
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2024, 06:58:37 AM »
Done.
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2024, 07:41:06 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/we-were-then-truly-a-nation-3efc732b?st=mmfqb0c8zmam7ft&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2024, 07:42:57 AM »
I used to ponder impracticable ideas and concepts a lot in my youth, waste of time basically, I decided later on.

Might be OK to pass the time, over a camp fire or somesuch.


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Re: The 'United' States of America
« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2024, 08:00:56 AM »
Do you mean that? Federalism is all about power to the states.
Try original Federalists believed in a strong national government. At least that was my impression from social studies many decades ago. 

 

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