header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: Texas and OU to where?!?!

 (Read 24604 times)

utee94

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 17796
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #406 on: July 29, 2021, 02:44:28 PM »

That gets you to 23, all AAU except Notre Dame, who they'd make the exception for anyway.

Just picking nits here, but Nebraska is no longer AAU. 


CWSooner

  • Team Captain
  • *******
  • Posts: 6072
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #407 on: July 29, 2021, 03:32:33 PM »
Didn’t Idaho and New Mexico State get shoved off from the MW a couple years back.
That happened in the Sunbelt after the 2017 season.  Ostensibly, it was because those two schools were too far outside the conference footprint.  I think that they had only been "associate members."
Play Like a Champion Today

Brutus Buckeye

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 11253
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #408 on: July 29, 2021, 04:12:57 PM »
Yeah, they were "football only" members of the Sunbelt for a few. 
1919, 20, 21, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 36, 37, 42, 44
WWH: 1952, 54, 55, 57, 58, 60, 61, 62, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 72, 74, 75
1979, 81, 82, 84, 87, 94, 98
2001, 02, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25484
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #409 on: July 29, 2021, 06:44:01 PM »
Never count out SoS when it comes to throwing out zingers.

U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

utee94

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 17796
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #410 on: July 29, 2021, 10:41:06 PM »
Never count out SoS when it comes to throwing out zingers.

[img width=499.988 height=468.993]https://i.imgur.com/mYlgrB9.png[/img]

He's not wrong.  It's going to take a ton of work in Austin to be truly competitive in almost ANY conference.  


OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 18940
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #411 on: July 29, 2021, 11:27:18 PM »
Once you're talking 20+ teams in a conference, I'm not sure footprint matters anymore.  So Pitt to the B1G and FSU/Clemson to the SEC would make sense.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

ELA

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 20364
  • Liked:

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 18940
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #413 on: July 30, 2021, 12:31:36 AM »
The "Bama does something and the SEC claims credit" thing doesn't work well when OSU and OU treat the B1G and Big XII like escaped slaves year after year.
The SEC has had 4 different teams win the NC in the past 13 years. 
You have to go back to 1990 just to find 3 for the ACC.
Back to 1965 to find 3 for the B1G.
To find 3 for the Big 12, you have to go back to the 1997 season.....but the SEC has had 5 different NC programs since then. 
.
It's a joke, I know, and it's not a big deal, but it's literally the opposite of the reality of the thing.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25484
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #414 on: July 30, 2021, 08:14:01 AM »
I like this one:

U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

Gigem

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 2153
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #415 on: July 30, 2021, 10:12:58 AM »
The "Bama does something and the SEC claims credit" thing doesn't work well when OSU and OU treat the B1G and Big XII like escaped slaves year after year.
The SEC has had 4 different teams win the NC in the past 13 years. 
You have to go back to 1990 just to find 3 for the ACC.
Back to 1965 to find 3 for the B1G.
To find 3 for the Big 12, you have to go back to the 1997 season.....but the SEC has had 5 different NC programs since then. 
.
It's a joke, I know, and it's not a big deal, but it's literally the opposite of the reality of the thing.

not to mention the programs that played in the championship and lost. Georgia ( to Bama) and Auburn ( to FSU). 

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25484
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #416 on: July 30, 2021, 10:32:41 AM »
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

utee94

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 17796
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #417 on: July 30, 2021, 10:45:48 AM »
Yup, that one's funny.  Guess Texas and OU will now jump up on that bar.

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8942
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #418 on: July 30, 2021, 11:06:06 AM »
The "Bama does something and the SEC claims credit" thing doesn't work well when OSU and OU treat the B1G and Big XII like escaped slaves year after year.
The SEC has had 4 different teams win the NC in the past 13 years. 
You have to go back to 1990 just to find 3 for the ACC.
Back to 1965 to find 3 for the B1G.
To find 3 for the Big 12, you have to go back to the 1997 season.....but the SEC has had 5 different NC programs since then. 
.
It's a joke, I know, and it's not a big deal, but it's literally the opposite of the reality of the thing.
not to mention the programs that played in the championship and lost. Georgia ( to Bama) and Auburn ( to FSU).
I'm not saying the SEC isn't strong, but I think this argument overstates their strength because it isn't like those five NC winning programs since 1997 have all been consistent NC contenders.  

In the last 30 years there have been 33 NC's because we had co-champions in 1991 (Washington and Miami, FL), 1997 (Nebraska and Michigan), and 2003 (LSU and USC).  Here they are by school and current league:


The first thing that stands out to me is that Bama's lead here is pretty amazing.  They have more than twice what any other school has.  
30 years of NC's by current league:
  • 15 SEC, 5 schools
  • 7 ACC, 3 schools
  • 6 B1G, 3 schools (3 NC's were by UNL before they were in the B1G)
  • 3 PAC, 2 schools
  • 2 B12, 2 schools

But look at the win% ranking for this same group of schools:

This isn't perfect but it is a much better measurement of how difficult a given school is to play year-in and year-out.  Ohio State, as typical for the Buckeyes, has been amazingly consistent.  They are a tough game year-in-year-out with only VERY few exceptions.  

Florida and Oklahoma are next and they have both been a tough game a lot more years than not.  

Bama is weird.  They are #5 in win% so they've been good a lot but actually it would be more descriptive to say that they've been incredible a lot and otherwise they generally sucked.  Within the last 30 years they had an entire decade of sub .500 football (1997-2006 they went .481 and 1998-2007 they went .476).  If you've played Bama every year for the last 30 you've played 7 NC's and a bunch more that were right at NC level but you've also played some pretty bad teams.  

FSU is like bama-lite in this metric.  They were REALLY good and then they weren't.  

Clemson has been great lately but for most of the last 30 years they were merely a decent opponent.  

Miami is similar, some great teams and some terrible ones.  

Nebraska and Tennessee were both winning NC's in the 90's but it has been a LONG time since either of them was a scary opponent for an NC Contender.  

LSU has had their ups and downs as well.  

Michigan through the end of Carr's tenure was generally a borderline contender but since then not so much.  

Texas, well we keep thinking they'll get back on track.  

USC was just about at Bama's current level back during the height of Pete Carroll's run there but outside of that they have largely sucked.  

Auburn has been this way for a long time, very high (and infrequent) highs, otherwise generally solid but not elite and then occasionally just plain bad.  

Washington, they shared the NC 30 years ago.  Since then some solid teams but rarely (if ever) a truly scary opponent for an NC contender.  

I'll grant you that one of the strengths of the SEC is that they have more "potential" contenders so when Bama sucked (roughly 1997-2007) the SEC didn't slide to irrelevance.  Instead, UF, TN, and LSU each won at least one NC during those 11 years.  In the B12 if Oklahoma sucks Texas better be good or else . . . irrelevance.  In the B1G if Ohio State spent a decade sucking and Michigan didn't get straightened out it could get ugly.  

medinabuckeye1

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 8942
  • Liked:
Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #419 on: July 30, 2021, 11:10:26 AM »
30 years of NC's by current league:
  • 15 SEC, 5 schools
  • 7 ACC, 3 schools
  • 6 B1G, 3 schools (3 NC's were by UNL before they were in the B1G)
  • 3 PAC, 2 schools
  • 2 B12, 2 schools
This, BTW, is why I'm not sure that any possible combination of moves by the B1G would actually enable us to keep up with this new SEC.  If you rearrange the above chart by putting OU and TX in the SEC it changes to this:
  • 17 SEC, 7 schools
  • 16 everybody else, 8 schools
And 2 of the 16 along with one of the schools was exactly 30 years ago.  If you also deduct one from the SEC by going to 28 years you get this:
  • 16 SEC, 7 schools
  • 14 everybody else, 7 schools


 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.