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Topic: Texas and OU to where?!?!

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #364 on: July 28, 2021, 04:38:39 PM »
It amazes me how critical coaching is in CFB.  I think a "reasonably competent" coach can do well at some places and keep the program "at level", but consistent elite performance means the coaching staff is elite.  I don't know of an exception.  And it goes beyond recruiting.

It would be interesting to hear perspective from players who have portaled out about how things are different.
The situation at Oklahoma made us realize how important the AD and President are as well.  Head coaches can really struggle if they are at odds with the other 2.  Bob Stoops often said he would leave if the other two left.  Bob was allowed to hand pick his successor with full approval from the AD and President.  There has been some turmoil at the President position but the current president seems to understand the importance of football.   OU makes the president's job easier as the athletic department is completely self sustaining and takes no money from the university, rather contributes millions to the academic side.  
Conversely, at Texas Tech, a weak AD and a prima donna Chancellor fired Mike Leach who had raised the program to its zenith and Tech has been floundering since.

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« Reply #365 on: July 28, 2021, 04:43:46 PM »
What's the end game here?

Are we going to have a SEC/ACC conglomerate owned by ESPN/Disney, and a Big Ten/Pac 12 conglomerate owned by Fox? Are they going to have two separate playoffs, where maybe the champion of each play one another for the NC?
That is a possibility.  I think the actual goal of Sankey is to create an upper division of CFB that operates outside the NCAA and the old bowl system.

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« Reply #366 on: July 28, 2021, 05:04:55 PM »
How long until the conferences go the route of addition by subtraction.

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« Reply #367 on: July 28, 2021, 05:28:50 PM »
How long until the conferences go the route of addition by subtraction.
In my opinion, that's probably long overdue. Especially if the TV wonks are gonna call the shots.

I can imagine some ESecPN exec telling Slive that he needs to lose Vandy, msu, USCe, etc.
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« Reply #368 on: July 28, 2021, 05:32:33 PM »
He can tell Silve but it probably wouldn't do much good.  He hasn't been commissioner since 2015.

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« Reply #369 on: July 28, 2021, 06:30:07 PM »
How long until the conferences go the route of addition by subtraction.
That's an intriguing question.

Much ink is being spilled on the subject of how the Big Ten might respond to the SEC's action by adding this that or the other program.

But the SEC expanding to 16 teams is not the problem.  The problem is that the two teams being added are helmet teams, so the SEC, which already had a better helmets-to-duds ratio than the Big Ten (per Medina's analysis somewhere on one of the the threads devoted to realignment-related topics), now has made that ratio even better.

The Big Ten could easily add Iowa State and Kansas.  Both are AAU schools.  Both are in or adjacent to the Big 12 footprint.  But Kansas has the worst football program in the P5 and Iowa State's history has mostly been spent as a loveable loser, Matt Campbell's recent success notwithstanding.

Non-AAU member Notre Dame and 1500-miles-WSW-of-Lincoln USC would seem to be the best programs that might be added.  But they are not sure things, to say the least.  Is the Big Ten ready to expel members to have a shinier, if smaller, roster of teams?

From afar, it seems like probably not.
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« Reply #370 on: July 28, 2021, 06:44:43 PM »
Non-AAU member Notre Dame and 1500-miles-WSW-of-Lincoln USC would seem to be the best programs that might be added.  But they are not sure things, to say the least.  Is the Big Ten ready to expel members to have a shinier, if smaller, roster of teams?

From afar, it seems like probably not.
For purely objective reasons and not accounting at all for the fact that my team might be one on the chopping block...

...I'm against expelling members.

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« Reply #371 on: July 28, 2021, 06:48:11 PM »
For purely objective reasons and not accounting at all for the fact that my team might be one on the chopping block...

...I'm against expelling members.
So am I.  For the same reason I don't like the growing reality of mega-conferences made up by adding helmet teams.
Purdues, Indianas, and Northwesterns are a valuable part of college football just like Oklahoma States, Kansas States, and TCUs are.
Now, Baylor, that's a different story.
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« Reply #372 on: July 28, 2021, 06:54:35 PM »
Baylor can eff right off.  If this move serves to deliver the effective death penalty to Baylor football, that alone will have made it all worthwhile.


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« Reply #373 on: July 28, 2021, 06:56:16 PM »
Has there ever been a team expelled from a conference?  Seems like Temple was kicked out or at least threatened to.  And there are lots of non-competitive football teams that are sterling in other sports like Kansas and Syracuse. 


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« Reply #375 on: July 28, 2021, 07:41:13 PM »
Bowlsby now saying he has documented evidence that ESPN was trying to make backdoor deals with B12 members and another unnamed conference (AAC).

That move would essentially dissolve the B12, meaning Oklahoma and Texas would not have to pay exit fees or worry about the GOR, and could join the SEC at will.

Another portion of that is ESPN owns 100% of the AAC media rights, vs the 50% they split with FOX over the B12.

The mouse is a dirty little rat.  Either that, or Bowlsby will be sued for slander.

It's getting ugly.

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« Reply #376 on: July 28, 2021, 07:45:16 PM »
I'll just copy/pasta my response from over on the B12 thread:

"This isn't the only thing, Bowlsby is in tell-all mode with the media and is going scorched-earth.  I have no doubt that everything he says is true, but going public with it, is a pretty odd decision.  For so many reasons.

That's the kind of information you hold close and use strategically behind the scenes.

Going public, accusing your primary TV partner of all of this, not only will harm your current members in their inevitable future contract negotiation, but will also repel potential replacement schools.  Who the heck wants to go to a conference with THIS kind of leadership?"

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« Reply #377 on: July 28, 2021, 08:07:48 PM »
So many weird things about this.  
As utee says, this is not the kind of thing to go public with, calling out your biggest source of revenue.  Unless it was intended to be confidential and ESPN leaked it to SI.  
Two, it's hard to believe ESPN would be dumb enough to ever directly contact a school.  Their contract is with the conference and to get involved with an individual member would be tortious interference.  Maybe Bowlsby got wind of some backchannel communication?
Whiskey, did you find somewhere it was the AAC?  I know the AAC has been spouting off about being proactive and aggressive.
I wouldn't be surprised if ESPN may have told the AAC that adding some of the Big 12 members would increase their value.

 

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