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Topic: Texas and OU to where?!?!

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #224 on: July 26, 2021, 12:58:55 AM »
Does anyone know how soon this might happen?
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #225 on: July 26, 2021, 01:05:17 AM »
The SEC footprint is a more fertile recruiting area than the Big Ten footprint.
It's not just this fact, either.  It's about the massive growth in the SEC footprint and the near stagnant numbers in the rust belt.  In 5 years, the gap in recruiting will be wider and wider still in 10 years and then in 20.  
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« Reply #226 on: July 26, 2021, 02:00:15 AM »
It's not just this fact, either.  It's about the massive growth in the SEC footprint and the near stagnant numbers in the rust belt.  In 5 years, the gap in recruiting will be wider and wider still in 10 years and then in 20. 
You may be correct in the time frame suggested, and the trend the past 40-50 years would suggest you are correct. But, if climate change does not reverse, one might expect an exodus from southern states 20-years from now.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #227 on: July 26, 2021, 07:29:23 AM »
Does anyone know how soon this might happen?

I think ESPN said they may announce it as early as this, Monday, morning.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #228 on: July 26, 2021, 08:28:35 AM »
K-State's fine.  And they do more with less also.  And they've got great fans too.
Iowa State is 32-19 over the last four seasons, all under Matt Campbell who started out 3-9 in 2016.
Kansas State is 25-23 over the last four seasons.
Iowa State is 548-658-46 all-time.
Kansas State was once the worst program in Div 1 football, but is 542–642–42 all-time, and has a winning record since 1990.
This is true, but I tend to look at the middle range. Could be a bad bet with K-State, as so much was with one coach. That said, ISU is all of four years decent, and that would scare me as an add.

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« Reply #229 on: July 26, 2021, 08:41:02 AM »
Of course!

Yeah, I wish we could establish an annual OOC game with Nebraska.

But, and I don't mean any disrespect to the Huskers, they would need to get better for that to work.

OU would not benefit much from the game as an inroad into Nebraska HS talent.  It would have to be a game that in more years than not had national significance.

Right now, it's for old times' sake, for geezers like me who remember the great games of the '70s and '80s.  Young OU fans just remember that Nebraska used to be in the Big 12 (and probably don't even realize that the last CCG of the original Big 12 featured OU and Nebraska).

C'mon, Huskers!  Get good again!
Obviously, many are praying the Huskers can get "good" again. 

 By good, I mean winning 9-10 games per season.  Not great which would mean only one loss a year and a top 4 finish.

My brother is visiting and we watched the 2001 Sooner game  on BTN last night.  We agreed that 2001 was the last team that could go toe to toe with the best teams in the nation.
As the playoff goes to 12 teams and one loss or two doesn't eliminate a team from the playoff, perhaps more OOC games between top contenders will be scheduled.

hopefully, Frost has what it takes along with a little luck and can get the Huskers to a point that an annual games would be attractive for both programs.

I'll be in Norman for the game this fall, just hoping to keep it competitive into the 2nd half.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #230 on: July 26, 2021, 09:23:16 AM »
Climate change, if the models are correct, would only increase temperatures marginally in terms of human comfort levels.

We're talking 1°C hotter on average, in 50+ years.

That alone isn't all that much relative to human comfort levels, and we have AC.

Atlanta is 1°C warmer on average in July than Baltimore, both get hot.

Average Temperatures for Large US Cities in July - Current Results

Most large cities average right around 30°C for highers,  Texas is hotter a bit.  People still move to Houston.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #232 on: July 26, 2021, 10:00:46 AM »
I think K-State has the fewest options which makes me kind of sad.  They were once known as "Futility U" and had the worst record in CFB.  They used to play every game with OU at Norman because they could get a better paycheck than playing at home.  My boss at the time was a KSU alum and booster and he would send me his OU ticket from his season tickets.  So there I sat, a crimson zit in a patch of purple.  
Nebraska used to fill the KSU stadium with folks who couldn't get NU season tickets.
Now they have a really nice 50-55k seat stadium with excellent parking and tailgating. 
I hope they get some P5 attention.

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« Reply #233 on: July 26, 2021, 10:22:35 AM »
I keep seeing in these media reports about how the SEC will be the first 16 team super conference. Am I going crazy or didn’t the WAC have 16 teams in the late 90’s?  I may be misunderstand the use of the phrase but it sure seems like lazy journalism to not point out that there have been 16 team conferences in the past. 

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #234 on: July 26, 2021, 10:40:17 AM »
well, the WAC wasn't a super conference, just ha d the number
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« Reply #235 on: July 26, 2021, 10:43:14 AM »
I really do understand what you're saying about Texas as a conference mate, but think about it this way-- in the SEC, Texas won't be able to throw any weight around.  It's a well run and secure conference that doesn't need Texas.  There's simply no weight to throw around.  Adding Texas -- and OU of course-- is beneficial to the SEC.  But it's not necessary.  And that makes a huge difference
I think this is an important point.  Sometimes on here we get fans from current or former conference-mates of Texas who obviously chafe at Texas' perceived (rightly) throwing their weight around in their league.  

I think they are right, Texas does, but I also think that any school in Texas' situation would.  The B12 has forever had way too many weak links.  That left Texas as the 900 lb gorilla in the room.  The exact same thing would have happened if the B12 had been those schools with Bama or tOSU instead of Texas.  

Assuming Texas joins the SEC or if they had joined the B1G things would have been very different.  In the SEC or B1G Texas would still be one of the biggest or possibly even the biggest revenue generator, the gap wouldn't be so large.  In the SEC or B1G Texas would have somewhat equal "colleagues" in schools like Bama, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, etc.  

In the B12 Texas probably was responsible for at least close to a majority of the revenue not generated by Oklahoma.  Ie, after Oklahoma the Longhorns probably generated more revenue than the next 4-6 (or more) schools.  That inherently created the situation where the B12 HAD to cater to the Longhorns (and to a somewhat lesser extent, the Sooners).  It is like a company whose largest client provides 50% of their revenue.  That company will do almost anything for that large client, they have to.  

In the SEC or B1G, Texas would be analogous to a large client but not an overpowering client.  They'll be in the group of largest clients and maybe even the biggest, but they won't be 50% or even 25%.  

Ultimately, I think that this whole thing was due to what happened when the SWC folded.  From the mid-1970's up until Arkansas left for the SEC, the SWC was made up of (listed in Medina's order of presumed $value):
  • Texas
  • aTm
  • Arkansas
  • TxTech
  • Houston
  • SMU
  • TCU
  • Baylor
  • Rice

Meanwhile, the old Big8 in the same timeframe was made up of (same order):
  • Oklahoma
  • Nebraska
  • Colorado
  • Kansas
  • Mizzou
  • OkSU
  • KSU
  • ISU

If the powers then at be would have been able to pull it off, the solution that would likely have led to a successful conference based in that region would have been to take the top four or five from each league then expand the footprint from there.  I'm thinking something like (same order):
  • Texas
  • Oklahoma
  • Nebraska
  • aTm
  • Colorado
  • Arkansas
  • Kansas
  • Mizzou
  • TxTech
  • Houston
  • A New Mexico School (either University of NM or NMST)
  • Either a Nevada school (probably UNLV rather than Nevada just due to travel considerations) or Utah or BYU

That would have been a powerful conference not altogether dependent on Texas.  That could have survived.  

Instead, Texas politics and the old Big8 members not wanting to leave the small-revenue historic members behind led to the B12 which, as originally constituted was:
  • Texas
  • Oklahoma
  • Nebraska 
  • aTm
  • Colorado
  • Kansas
  • Mizzou
  • TxTech
  • OkSU
  • Baylor
  • KSU
  • ISU

There are just way too many non-contributors there (financially).  There always were.  Thus, when #3 (UNL to B1G), #4 (aTm to SEC), #5 (Colo to Pac), and #7 (Mizzou to SEC) left, the conference was a dead man walking.  

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« Reply #236 on: July 26, 2021, 11:04:10 AM »
It's not just this fact, either.  It's about the massive growth in the SEC footprint and the near stagnant numbers in the rust belt.  In 5 years, the gap in recruiting will be wider and wider still in 10 years and then in 20. 
I agree wrt recruiting (although I'm not sure how important that is to TX and OU since Texas is a VERY strong recruiting area on their own but I want to point out something that I've pointed out before:

From a revenue perspective, the opposite is true.  The old, slow growth B1G has an advantage.  What I mean is that Georgia and North Carolina are now almost as populous as Ohio and Michigan (10.6M for Georgia and 10.5M for NC so 21.1M for those two compared to 11.7M for Ohio and 10.0 for MI so 21.7M for those two.  GA and NC have grown by about 1M each over the past 10 years while OH and MI have grown by ~150k and ~100k respectively).  

At anything close to current trends, within a few years GA and NC will be more populous than OH and MI.  

The advantage that tOSU and M will still have and will still retain for decades is that there are a LOT more tOSU and M fans in GA and NC (and FL and AZ and CA, etc) than there are Georgia and UNC fans in OH, MI (and FL, AZ, CA, etc).  This is true because there are a LOT of people living in the sunbelt who grew up, were born, or at least are children of people born in OH and MI (and the rest of the slow-growing B1G States).  

It is probably impossible to quantify this, but it is obvious that at least some of those GA and NC residents retain their tOSU (or M, or UW, or PSU, or whatever) fandom.  

What I am saying is that a slower-growing state probably has more fans than a similar population fast-growth state simply because the fast-growth state probably has a lot of current locals who still root for the team from their slow-growth home state.  

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #237 on: July 26, 2021, 12:13:48 PM »
The bar in my marina is solidly Big Ten.
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