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Topic: Texas and OU to where?!?!

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #196 on: July 25, 2021, 11:27:22 AM »
Which is exactly why I think this move to the sec is not as set in stone as some claim. Certainly you would have to think that the B1G and the PAC would have at least reached out to the two schools and more. Remember, Texas wanted to go to the PAC during the last round and wanted to bring A&M with them. I’m not sure but it seems like OU and oSU were being considered as well. Obviously that is a horrible geographic and cultural fit.

But really when you come down to it getting on a plane is getting on a plane. It would make so much more sense to break CFb out into its own entity and let the Olympic sports exist on their own plane in a conference dedicated just for that.

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« Reply #197 on: July 25, 2021, 11:40:31 AM »
An OU fan from another board doesn't want to be in a Conference with Texas because they destroy every conference that they touch. He just wants to play them OOC, like they used to. 
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« Reply #198 on: July 25, 2021, 11:47:49 AM »
An OU fan from another board doesn't want to be in a Conference with Texas because they destroy every conference that they touch. He just wants to play them OOC, like they used to.
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« Reply #199 on: July 25, 2021, 11:55:12 AM »
Gang signs aside, the SEC is obviously a better landing spot for Texas than Oklahoma, who would probably be more at home in the Big Ten West. 

So it's not that bad an idea, really. 
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« Reply #200 on: July 25, 2021, 11:55:47 AM »
If it were only football, I'd like to see OU in the B1G.  Considering the warm weather sports, i.e. baseball, golf, softball, I like the SEC.  During the last realignment, I would have been glad to see OU and Texas go to different conferences.  I don't have any of those issues with OU and Texas going to the SEC and would be happy to see OU/UT as pod/division mates.

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« Reply #201 on: July 25, 2021, 11:59:41 AM »
Gang signs aside, the SEC is obviously a better landing spot for Texas than Oklahoma, who would probably be more at home in the Big Ten West.

So it's not that bad an idea, really.

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« Reply #202 on: July 25, 2021, 12:35:14 PM »
UGA - Tech
USCe - Clemson
FSU - UF, though they were never in the same conference.

Those are local rivalries of long standing. 
Yes, but none of those have been created in the past 4 decades-- specifically, since the NCAA stranglehold on television rights was broken by YOUR school (and Oklahoma) :).

Historical rivalries have inertia.  But when you break that inertia, the dynamics change.

The sport is now national, not regional.  If you're looking to bolster your national brand, then giving up an annual OOC slot to a regional rival, means sacrificing a slot that could be played against a marquee intersectional national brand-name team.  That's something that's just not as attractive as it might have been 4 decades ago.

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« Reply #203 on: July 25, 2021, 12:42:04 PM »
Gang signs aside, the SEC is obviously a better landing spot for Texas than Oklahoma, who would probably be more at home in the Big Ten West.

So it's not that bad an idea, really.
Culturally and academically, Texas is more aligned to the B1G and Oklahoma is much more like an SEC school.

Which is why the B1G passed on an OU/Texas duo ten years ago.  The B1G didn't feel that OU's academics were a good fit.

At this point, the SEC makes the most sense for both schools, for any number of reasons.

But I still always liked the idea of seeing Texas playing in the B1G, with its fancy book-larnin' and whatnot.


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« Reply #204 on: July 25, 2021, 12:48:26 PM »
Texas is definitely staying with OU.

I've said for the past ten years that OU actually has the power in the relationship.  Texas was fine to stand pat in the B12, because Texas wanted to keep it more regional and not endure the far-flung travel associated with joining any of the other conferences, especially for the olympic sports. 

But OU has had wanderlust ever since 2010, I believe they felt they missed out in those two rounds of realignment and haven't been satisfied staying in the B12 ever since.

So I'd agree with the reports you've heard-- OU was going no matter what, and Texas' hand was forced, because we know we need them and the TX-OU rivalry, to maintain our sports brand.  Sure, an OOC rivalry could be set up, indeed the TX-OU rivalry existed as an OOC game for 8 decades before it become an in-conference game.  But there's risk to that-- it's not the 1920s anymore, and times are quite different.  How many rivalries have survived in the past 3 decades, when one or both teams switched to different conferences?

Anyway, if the B1G really wanted Texas, they'd need to be willing to take OU.  There are factions at OU that would have preferred the B1G all along, but the B1G wasn't overly receptive, given their academics.  If that has changed, then now would be the time for the B1G to make a push for both teams.
Very reasonable assessment, Utee.
Most OU fans would be surprised, I think, by the idea that OU holds the power in the OU-UT relationship.  But it's possible that you are correct about that.  Some OU fans fear Texas trickeration in the move to the SEC.  Like maybe Texas backs out at the last minute and goes independent, leaving OU in the lurch.  The same sort of fans aren't sure that OU would be a slam-dunk in going to the SEC by itself.
I don't know about wanderlust, but it is widely believed that former OU President Boren's major goal was to get OU into the B1G.  So much so that he submitted exaggerated false reports of endowments to improve OU's standing in the USN&WR rankings and gain AAU membership.
I suspect that the B1G could have had OU at any time prior to Boren's fall from grace and power.  The current leadership has not indicated its preferences until now.  Most Sooner fans would rather see OU in the SEC than the B1G.  (I wanted OU in the B1G West so that we could play Nebraska every year.)  I don't know if Texas was there for the taking or not.  You might have some sense about that.
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« Reply #205 on: July 25, 2021, 01:12:05 PM »
Howdy CW

I wondered what your take would be

The good news is it looks like the UT/OU game will remain

Im still surprised that OU would split from OK St
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« Reply #206 on: July 25, 2021, 01:45:15 PM »
Hey, 320!

I have mixed thoughts and emotions about leaving the Big 12 (-2).  I don't see the Big 12 surviving as a P5 conference.  There are no helmet programs for it to poach, which has been the problem ever since 2010.

Programs like Iowa State and Kansas State, and probably Oklahoma State, may not find homes in other power conferences.  On the other hand, they, like maybe some B1G programs--Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue--wouldn't be prime candidates for membership in another power conference if for some reason they suddenly weren't members of the B1G.  About 1/3 of the Pac-12 programs probably fall into that same category.  And some SEC programs as well--Vanderbilt comes to mind.  Maybe USC-E and Kentucky.  Maybe the Mississippi schools.  Baylor and TCU--they really aren't P5 programs at all.  Baylor got into the Big 12 because Ann Richards was governor at the time, and TCU got in because the alternative was conference death.  If the Big 12 ceases to exist, I hope that WVU finds a better home.

Anyway, they've been loyal conference members, they've done the best they could with the resources they had, and now they're having the rug pulled out from under them.

BUT . . . as I saw Mr. Tulip post on the Big 12 board (at least I think it's his analysis I'm remembering), the salvaged Big 12 could not grow.  There weren't any programs available for it to add that did anything more than add more members.  And it was always going to be subject to failing, as we see happening now.  I guess the best thing for it would be to add Houston and, maybe, SMU (or maybe Cincinnati, giving WVU a long-overdue neighbor), and see how long it can hold on to P5 status.

Like Utee, I wanted to see OU end up in the B1G after all the realignment smoke cleared.  I wanted in the B1G for academic reasons.  The SEC has some fine academic institutions, and I'm not just talking about Vanderbilt.  But academics are not an issue there, and they are in the B1G.  OU would have had to upgrade its academics as a member of the B1G.  That will not be the case in the SEC.

But I'm in a distinct minority among Sooner fans, many, many of whom have been pining for membership in the SEC ever since the 2010 realignments.  And, should what looks like it's going to happen actually happen, it will be great to see SEC teams come to Norman every year.  I was halfway hoping that OU and Texas could go to different conferences while keeping the RRS.  Even if I stipulate that UT doesn't purposely throw its weight around, it's still uncomfortable being in the same conference with you guys.  You seemingly have more money than everyone else in the Big 12 (-2) combined, and money talks.  And when it does, everybody else has to listen.

Anyway, it's probably going to be a wild ride in the SEC.

P.S. About OU and FoSu splitting up, there's no state law that mandates that they have to be together.  The two schools operate under two different sets of regents.  The "togetherness" they had last go-around was because of the personal relationship between the two presidents--David Boren at OU and Burns Hargis at FoSu.  There was a Boren Hall at FoSu from the days when he was governor, and Hargis was an OU alum.  Both of them are gone now.  If FoSu had enough clout in the state legislature to block OU's move, I'm sure they would try to use it.  But I don't think they've got enough to stop OU's departure.

The whole thing about using the state legislature to inflict pain on your football rival strikes me as childish and selfish.  It's symptomatic of punky little-brotherdom.
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« Reply #207 on: July 25, 2021, 02:16:58 PM »
Hey C-Dub, good to see you back!  I was hoping to get your take.

I really do understand what you're saying about Texas as a conference mate, but think about it this way-- in the SEC, Texas won't be able to throw any weight around.  It's a well run and secure conference that doesn't need Texas.  There's simply no weight to throw around.  Adding Texas -- and OU of course-- is beneficial to the SEC.  But it's not necessary.  And that makes a huge difference.

I won't agree with every accusation leveled at us over the past few decades, but I will say that whatever tendencies might have existed when DeLoss (and then Patterson) were in charge, aren't likely to persist into a relationship with the SEC.

It's definitely going to be a wild ride.  I guess we'll see what happens.

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« Reply #208 on: July 25, 2021, 02:21:19 PM »
I agree with all of that, Utee.

And I agree with Thumper upthread.  I hope that OU and UT are pod-mates, if the SEC goes to pods.
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« Reply #209 on: July 25, 2021, 02:22:39 PM »
Excellent post, CW.  It sums up a lot of my feelings exactly.  I was glad the ESPN/Fox tv package got another 10 years for the B12 but I don't think anyone thought it was going to last.  I was ready for OU to go anywhere else but this announcement took me completely by surprise.  Once I got over the shock, I think this is going to be great.

 

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