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Topic: Texas and OU to where?!?!

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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #126 on: July 23, 2021, 05:06:55 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on July 23, 2021, 04:53:23 PM
Now there is an article stating the Big 12/8 has reached out to the PAC-12 about a merger to become the PAC-20.

Big 12 Reportedly Considering Merger With Another Conference (msn.com)
Yeah, desperation move from the B12. Doubt they have a very compelling offer that would make the PAC-12 interested.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #127 on: July 23, 2021, 05:14:29 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on July 23, 2021, 04:53:23 PM
Now there is an article stating the Big 12/8 has reached out to the PAC-12 about a merger to become the PAC-20.

Big 12 Reportedly Considering Merger With Another Conference (msn.com)
IMHO, the PAC would be nuts to take this, there are too many small-revenue teams in the Big . . .8

Assuming OU and UT are gone (but temporarily NOT assuming the same for Kansas), what you have ranked in "Medina's order of value" is:
  • Kansas - #1 in their state, great BB, not good FB.  
  • OkSU - #2 in OK decent FB decent BB
  • TxTech - *MAYBE* #3 in their state but it is a BIG state
  • WVU - #1 in their state but it is a tiny and shrinking state, good FB and BB history
  • ISU - #2 in their state and it is a small state
  • KSU - #2 in their state and it is a small state
  • TCU - eh
  • Baylor - eh

I could see the PAC taking the top three (Kansas, OkSU, TxTech) which would get them to 15 then adding one (maybe UNLV) or three (maybe UNLV, a NM school, and Hawaii?) to get to 20.  

I couldn't see the PAC agreeing to merge with a dying group of scraps left behind by the OU/UT move to the SEC.  If Kansas to the B1G is a serious possibility then this sounds even worse for the PAC.  

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #128 on: July 23, 2021, 05:17:29 PM »
The more I think about it, the more I'm against Iowa State.

It's one thing to look at ISU's increase in enrollment, their football success, their fan appreciation, etc. 

And if they get a seat at the big conference table, 20 years later we can look back and say "clearly they were power conference material".

But what happens if nobody picks them up? They end up joining a G5 conference, and then the recruiting falters because local Iowa kids want to play in the B1G on television instead of the G5. Iowa gets better because they're no longer splitting the state's top recruits, so they become more competitive in the B1G. 

I don't think Iowa State really moves the needle in any way for the conference, and letting them fall to G5 oblivion arguably makes the conference stronger by making Iowa stronger. 
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« Reply #129 on: July 23, 2021, 05:17:45 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on July 23, 2021, 05:06:55 PM
Yeah, desperation move from the B12. Doubt they have a very compelling offer that would make the PAC-12 interested.
PAC is in terrible shape from a financial perspective and adding ANY teams in markets further east would probably be a good move for them.  People in California just don't care much about football, compared to almost everywhere else in the country.   They've got plenty of other stuff to do.  You live there, you know this to be true.

Anyway, I've been out of town for the past several days and all of these rumors blow up.  I'm leaving town again on Sunday so I expect College Football Armageddon to erupt fully while I'm gone and out of contact.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #130 on: July 23, 2021, 05:23:39 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 23, 2021, 05:17:45 PM
PAC is in terrible shape from a financial perspective and adding ANY teams in markets further east would probably be a good move for them.  People in California just don't care much about football, compared to almost everywhere else in the country.  They've got plenty of other stuff to do.  You live there, you know this to be true.
Everything you said about California and college sports is true...

...but I'm not sure that adding the dregs of the B12 is good for them. 

I would suppose that accepting this sort of offer might be a defense against the proposal that the B1G just go raid their best teams for a superconference.

But if the best teams get drawn into some sort of 20-team monstrosity with the dregs of the B12, they may just ditch the PAC for the B1G anyway...

I just don't think the dregs of the B12 save the PAC's financial situation.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2021, 05:28:58 PM »
Now ESPN has appended its article (at the end) to say that multiple sources around the ACC and PAC-12 the two conferences may seek a 32-team super conference. Potential Texas, Oklahoma move to SEC - The hurdles, domino effects and what we know so far (espn.com)
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #132 on: July 23, 2021, 05:44:27 PM »
Interesting...


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The one school Phillips has publicly courted is Notre Dame, which still clings to its independence, but has a contract with the ACC as a partial member. (The Fighting Irish played last season as part of the ACC due to the coronavirus pandemic.)
Notre Dame also has an agreement with the ACC that, should it choose to join a conference, it has to be the ACC. The agreement is in place throughout the length of the current grant of rights, which runs through 2036, a source confirmed to ESPN.
"They know the ACC's interest," Phillips said this week at the league's media days. "It's been less than bashful. They know where we're at. Who knows where the future's going to go. I love the schools we have, but you always have to be ready to add."

Unless there are some sort of exit clauses that are financially feasible, that suggests they won't be headed our way.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #133 on: July 23, 2021, 05:53:19 PM »
I would like to see that contract to see how tight it is worded. 

Liquidated damages Penalty clauses in contracts are not favored under the law.  

Ten - Fifteen million dollars would help pave ND's path if it could be convinced that pastures are greener in the Midwest.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #134 on: July 23, 2021, 05:57:01 PM »
If the ACC and Pac12 are talking about a merger, it's almost certain that's ESPN trying to work against Fox.

That would be the worst case scenario for the B1G.  We better hope Warren and Alverez are already trying to land the best of the PAC.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #135 on: July 23, 2021, 06:01:03 PM »
Quote from: TamrielsKeeper on July 23, 2021, 05:57:01 PM
If the ACC and Pac12 are talking about a merger, it's almost certain that's ESPN trying to work against Fox.

That would be the worst case scenario for the B1G.  We better hope Warren and Alverez are already trying to land the best of the PAC.

why in the world would ACC merge with PAC 12 why not ACC and Big 10
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #136 on: July 23, 2021, 06:03:08 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on July 23, 2021, 05:53:19 PM
I would like to see that contract to see how tight it is worded.

Liquidated damages Penalty clauses in contracts are not favored under the law. 

Ten - Fifteen million dollars would help pave ND's path if it could be convinced that pastures are greener in the Midwest.

Hey Hawkinole, I'm unsure of your background/job, are you involved in some form of entertainment contract law?

It makes me wish we still had PiratesRoost around, he was a lawyer in a field that was tangentially related to this type of law, and he basically always said-- there's no contract that's going to actually prevent a school from doing what it wants.  It will simply become a negotiation for perceived damages.  

The "grant of rights" is really effectively no different than an exit penalty clause, because realistically if Notre Dame had its rights granted to the ACC but decided to join the B1G, there's no police force or anything that's going to stop them from putting cameras in their stadium and broadcasting through whichever medium partner they want.  The ACC couldn't stop it from happening, all they could do is sue for damages.  And really, it wouldn't get that far, because they'd just negotiate the amount ahead of time.

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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #137 on: July 23, 2021, 06:09:10 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on July 23, 2021, 06:03:08 PM
Hey Hawkinole, I'm unsure of your background/job, are you involved in some form of entertainment contract law?  Country lawyer.

It makes me wish we still had PiratesRoost around, he was a lawyer in a field that was tangentially related to this type of law, and he basically always said-- there's no contract that's going to actually prevent a school from doing what it wants.  It will simply become a negotiation for perceived damages. 

The "grant of rights" is really effectively no different than an exit penalty clause, because realistically if Notre Dame had its rights granted to the ACC but decided to join the B1G, there's no police force or anything that's going to stop them from putting cameras in their stadium and broadcasting through whichever medium partner they want.  The ACC couldn't stop it from happening, all they could do is sue for damages.  And really, it wouldn't get that far, because they'd just negotiate the amount ahead of time. This is correct.


If memory serves me right, Maryland paid a fraction of the liquidated damages clause amount it had in its ACC contract upon exiting the ACC.
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #138 on: July 23, 2021, 06:13:30 PM »
Quote from: Hawkinole on July 23, 2021, 06:09:10 PM
If memory serves me right, Maryland paid a fraction of the liquidated damages clause amount it had in its ACC contract upon exiting the ACC.
Same thing for Nebraska and A&M when they left the B12.  

Some folks argued that a "grant of rights" would be more binding, but he pretty much said "nah."
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Re: Texas and OU to where?!?!
« Reply #139 on: July 23, 2021, 06:14:30 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on July 23, 2021, 06:01:03 PM
why in the world would ACC merge with PAC 12 why not ACC and Big 10

Best guess would be that they realize the B1G is fully in bed with Fox due to the BTN and ESPN wants to control everything except the the B1G content.

ESPN just destroyed the B12, which Fox has a part of.  They fully own the ACC and SEC.  If they get the PAC/ACC they fully own the rights to everything but the B1G.
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