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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2018, 10:51:04 AM »
1. Fire Delany.  

2. Nix the Big Ten championship game in favor of adding a 10th conference game.  Drop a non-conference game to cap the number of games at 12.  Don't care if the school needs an 8th home game to fund facilities.   Each school could designate a few teams that they wish to play every year.  For Michigan that would likely be Sparty, the Gophers, and Ohio State.  The other schools would rotate on/off the schedule as in past years.  This would weed out a lot of the cupcake games and make finding opponents to schedule easier to find.  Keep the playoff as is or go back to just 1 vs. 2.  Or just go back to traditional bowl games with no national championship BS.  Do you really need a "national champion?"  I sure as hell don't.
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2018, 10:58:51 AM »
Quote from: ELA on December 06, 2018, 10:08:23 AM

I do find it funny how often these conferences want to manipulate things to get their desired result, while the SEC just went first, went geographic, and have been just fine.  ACC tried to set up FSU-Miami, never got it.  Big Ten tried to set up UM-OSU, couldn't get it, abandoned the plan, now are trying to formulate a new plan.  Funny thing is, as undesirable as rematches are, a rematch of a season ending rivalry game would be flat out awful.  I'm glad we dodged that bullet with Oklahoma-WVU, and that's not even a rivalry.
This.

I feel like the leadership keeps tripping over itself, because it cannot decide on what it wants the league to be. It desires all the bennies of being this 14-team superconference, but still somehow remain the quaint Woody v Bo-centric league that it was in ancient times. The contortions that the rest of us are being put through in pursuit of these contradictory goals are ridiculous…particularly in light of the hot air we hear from the league about solidarity. Time to practice what we preach.

Decide on who want to be as a league, build the appropriate structure, and live with it. Move Michigan back to the West in exchange for Illinois, and play The Game in October so that if there is a rematch in the CCG, its 4-6 weeks later. Or move Sparty into the West for Illinois, play The Game as normal, and just deal with the fact it will never determine the conference champion. Whatever...just decide FFS, and move on.
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2018, 11:02:32 AM »
Moving Purdue East would solve the permanent crossover issue they face, but you'd introduce another if, say, MSU were moved West. They and Michigan are going to want to continue that game every year.
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2018, 11:09:44 AM »
Quote from: ELA on December 06, 2018, 10:08:23 AM
Thing is, Northwestern went 8-1 in Big Ten play.  I don't want to start bringing OOC into it.  I would prefer to go to 10 games and say any time one division runner up is two games ahead (ignoring tiebreakers)  in conference record of the other division champ, they go.
I do find it funny how often these conferences want to manipulate things to get their desired result, while the SEC just went first, went geographic, and have been just fine.  ACC tried to set up FSU-Miami, never got it.  Big Ten tried to set up UM-OSU, couldn't get it, abandoned the plan, now are trying to formulate a new plan.  Funny thing is, as undesirable as rematches are, a rematch of a season ending rivalry game would be flat out awful.  I'm glad we dodged that bullet with Oklahoma-WVU, and that's not even a rivalry.
tbf, geographic worked out perfect for the sec (the first time around anyway, the expansion muddied it somewhat).
the historically top 6 (bama, tenn, uga, au, uf, lsu) were split evenly, and so were the newcomers at the time. do that with the b1g, acc and pac and it ends up lopsided with the historically best teams.
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2018, 11:19:17 AM »
How far back does "historically" go?
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2018, 11:51:13 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2018, 11:02:32 AM
Moving Purdue East would solve the permanent crossover issue they face, but you'd introduce another if, say, MSU were moved West. They and Michigan are going to want to continue that game every year.
that is why you have the 3rd week in Sept to play your teams cross divisional rival.  =)
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2018, 11:59:16 AM »
Quote from: Entropy on December 06, 2018, 11:51:13 AM
that is why you have the 3rd week in Sept to play your teams cross divisional rival.  =)
I'd rather not see any cross-divisional rivals. It's too limiting.
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2018, 01:16:23 PM »
This idea appeals to me mainly because getting rid of divisions creates a chance to play all the teams more often, not because there is anything wrong with the divisions they have chosen.

If you do the math, no divisions would probably mean 5 permanent opponents and 8 teams you play half the time.  This is better than the current division schedules.

But it is not important to me that the 2 best teams end up in the CCG, as long as the 2 best teams did play during the regular season, it's ok.  I don't see a big need for a rematch.
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2018, 01:23:00 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2018, 11:02:32 AM
Moving Purdue East would solve the permanent crossover issue they face, but you'd introduce another if, say, MSU were moved West. They and Michigan are going to want to continue that game every year.
I'd be ok with not playing every year.  Even if you did flip them, and made that the protected rivalry, unlike the Bucket, neither fan base has a problem with that game being played in September or October, so it wouldn't be a back to back rematch.
Granted with 7 team divisions you are always going to have one crossover game per week minimum.
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2018, 01:35:44 PM »
11 teams. No divisions. Full round robin. No CCG.
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2018, 01:56:39 PM »
If you set up a schedule with 5 permanent rivals it could look something like this

Team - 5 rivals
Neb - Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW, PSU
Iowa - Neb, Minn, Wisc, NW, ILL
Minn - Neb, Iowa, Wisc, Mich, Indy
Wisc - Neb, Iowa, Minn, NW, MSU
NW - ILL, Neb, Iowa, Wisc, Pur
ILL - NW, Indy, Pur, Iowa, OSU
Pur - Indy, NW, ILL, Mich, Rut

Indy - Pur, ILL, MSU, MD, Minn
MSU - Mich, Wisc, Indy, PSU, Rut
Mich - OSU, MSU, Pur, Minn, MD
OSU - Mich, PSU, ILL, Rut, MD
PSU - OSU, MD, Rut, MSU, Neb
MD - PSU, Rut, OSU, Mich, Indy
Rut - PSU, MD, OSU, MSU, Pur

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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2018, 02:19:15 PM »
Quote from: Hoss on December 06, 2018, 10:58:51 AM
This.

I feel like the leadership keeps tripping over itself, because it cannot decide on what it wants the league to be. It desires all the bennies of being this 14-team superconference, but still somehow remain the quaint Woody v Bo-centric league that it was in ancient times. The contortions that the rest of us are being put through in pursuit of these contradictory goals are ridiculous…particularly in light of the hot air we hear from the league about solidarity. Time to practice what we preach.

Decide on who want to be as a league, build the appropriate structure, and live with it. Move Michigan back to the West in exchange for Illinois, and play The Game in October so that if there is a rematch in the CCG, its 4-6 weeks later. Or move Sparty into the West for Illinois, play The Game as normal, and just deal with the fact it will never determine the conference champion. Whatever...just decide FFS, and move on.

Hell no to moving "The Game"
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2018, 02:24:41 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2018, 06:14:42 AM
Most years, it has been that way. So this year the 1st and 3rd play and that's not good enough? Screw him.
I am a little confused.  The article states it would have been better if OSU and Mich played in the CCG.  But they did play, just a week prior to that.  
If you accept the idea that OSU, Mich, and PSU are the 3 best teams, they all did play each other, so what's the problem?  
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Re: Talk of Eliminating Divisions
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2018, 02:29:23 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on December 06, 2018, 11:19:17 AM
How far back does "historically" go?
at least 3?
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