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Topic: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #350 on: October 24, 2019, 12:06:20 AM »
A "democracy" in whatever form presumes we have an informed voting public better able to make choices en masses than some more insular group, or single person.

Part of that presumes the voting public has the ability to decipher truth from fiction, at least in large enough numbers to "count".

We also could consider a kind of "qualified democracy" where only some minor portion of adults could vote, or make choices, with the limit being one person (or perhaps computer in some future).

Do "we" really want to go there?  We probably shouldn't on this site.
Luckily, we can have this conversation with zero political strife.



We don't have to worry about either left or right - anyone and everyone all along the spectrum can only form a valid democratic populace if they're informed.  Hence, the purposeful - and I keep using that word for a reason - the purposeful deception of the truth online should be criminal.  No, you can't get every jackass with too much time on his hands, but these massive bot groups and purposeful misinformation outlets (who play both sides like a maestro) could easily be criminalized. 



And YES, they're as bad or worse than any of the other verbal or typed crimes that already exist.
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #351 on: October 24, 2019, 07:29:06 AM »
The line between expressing an opinion and "purposeful deception" seems thin to me.

And nearly every meme I see on FB that is political is deceptive, or flat wrong.  I have no clue how this could be monitored, or by whom.

It is incumbent on US to deal with it.

It's akin to perjury, it happens fairly often but is rarely prosecuted because of burden of proof.  "I didn't understand the question."
 "I didn't mean to say that."  "I was taken out of context."


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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #352 on: October 24, 2019, 08:03:57 AM »
Luckily, we can have this conversation with zero political strife.



We don't have to worry about either left or right - anyone and everyone all along the spectrum can only form a valid democratic populace if they're informed.  Hence, the purposeful - and I keep using that word for a reason - the purposeful deception of the truth online should be criminal.  No, you can't get every jackass with too much time on his hands, but these massive bot groups and purposeful misinformation outlets (who play both sides like a maestro) could easily be criminalized. 



And YES, they're as bad or worse than any of the other verbal or typed crimes that already exist.
Criminalized?

Yeah, establishing that standard in line with 1A is going to be ... near impossible. Shoot, weren’t we calling a list of top college players that was too NFL based clickbait like four months ago?

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #353 on: October 24, 2019, 08:11:36 AM »
Speaking of teeth, so, I'm missing my penultimate upper right molar.  The cavity has healed remarkably quickly.  It's not even sore now.  

Can I avoid this implant process and just live with a missing tooth?

Gonna ask the dentist.

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #354 on: October 24, 2019, 09:47:39 AM »
Speaking of teeth, so, I'm missing my penultimate upper right molar.  The cavity has healed remarkably quickly.  It's not even sore now. 

Can I avoid this implant process and just live with a missing tooth?

Gonna ask the dentist.
You live in Georgia now. I'm sure it'll be fine. 

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #355 on: October 24, 2019, 09:51:14 AM »
HA!

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #356 on: October 24, 2019, 10:02:32 AM »
Good one, but it's a molar, so I still don't "fit in".

Speaking of turnovers, Wisconsin lost that "battle" against UI 3-1.  UGA lost to USCe by 4-0, including a Pick 6.

I think they are largely unpredictable and very often the core reason for an upset (where a 20+ point dog wins).  I think "Talking Heads" like to get all quasi-technical about yardage this and percentage that and who won the past 5 games on the road at night, and forget about this because we can't predict it.

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #357 on: October 24, 2019, 10:06:17 AM »
JT's first fumble of the year arguably cost UW the game last weekend. Continuing that drive at the UI 17 would have put it away, with clock alone.
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #358 on: October 24, 2019, 10:07:16 AM »
As for the tooth... try eating a steak today or tomorrow. If you can't properly chew it, you need the tooth.

Could always take one from the front and put it in the back.
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #359 on: October 24, 2019, 10:10:18 AM »
you can chew it properly on the other side of yer mouth

the dentist has enough of your money
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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #360 on: October 24, 2019, 10:26:06 AM »
I have pretty good dental insurance, so money is not the issue really, it's time and pain.  The implant thing is manifold, several visits, and none of them sound pleasant.

My gum is probably still sensitive, though it doesn't feel bad, but I'll wait on the steak.  I ate some chili over rice last night, first solid thing I've tried to eat.  Was fine.

The other good news is I can walk to the dentist's office.  I like this being able to walk anywhere thing.

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #361 on: October 24, 2019, 10:33:25 AM »
So, turnovers can't be predicted.  They can have a huge impact on the game.  Folks trying to sound like their are experts really are trying to predict a near random sequence of events.  We're not even including things like tipped passes that get dropped or key penalties called, or missed, or first downs inches short, or all the other random things that can happen.

So, if Wisconsin beats OSU, folks will say OSU was "looking ahead" or was "due for a bad game" or whatever else, and it probably will be a 3-1 TO margin or worse.

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #362 on: October 24, 2019, 11:02:02 AM »
Another thing I dislike is the "calculations" of odds to make the playoff.  Such burfle.

I'm sure folks click on the link and then feel bad or better depending.  Burfle, all of it.

We all understand Clemson has a pretty clear shot, and then the other undefeated teams, and then some one loss teams.  Duh.

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Re: Stream of Conciousness 2019-10-19
« Reply #363 on: October 24, 2019, 11:05:54 AM »
I think CD should make a Top 10 list of things he dislikes about discussing/analyzing college football!


 

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