We'll have to arrange a swap of Great Lakes for Live Oak Oktoberfests/Marzens or Helles/Amber/Austrian/Vienna Lagers or Czech Pilsner,Dortmunders,Belgian Ales.Witbiers,Wheat Ales or some Porter/Stoudts,DunkelWeizens,Hefeweizens,Weisenbocks,Kolsch,English Brown Ale,Irish Ale,Scottish Ale,Smoked Porter or Rauchbier!!! Ya I hate snobs