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Topic: Stirring the Pot

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #98 on: September 27, 2018, 02:32:56 PM »
My guess is if ND makes the playoffs, they will get scorched in game one.

If they are 12-0, they almost certainly make it.


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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #99 on: September 27, 2018, 03:28:20 PM »
My guess is if ND makes the playoffs, they will get scorched in game one.

If they are 12-0, they almost certainly make it.
I agree and I agree that they should, provided that there are not four undefeated P5 Champions.  I think that is the only thing that would keep them out.  Even then, it would probably be close because ND's schedule is pretty solid.  Where ND would get dinged is that they wouldn't have that extra high-level game that the four aforementioned hypothetical undefeated P5 Champions would have.  
The thing about the CG's is that they REALLY beef up the SoS.  Consider any P5 team, I'll use yours, UGA.  The Dawg's best OOC opponent is probably GaTech and the Yellow Jackets look awful this year.  Meanwhile, UGA's SEC-W opponents are Auburn and LSU which look great so far but who knows.  The SECCG (provided that UGA gets there) would salvage UGA's SoS even if both Tiger teams (LSU/Auburn) falter and don't look very impressive by December.  Somebody has to win the SEC-W and even in a horrible year for the SEC-W that would still almost always be a ranked team.  
Notre Dame doesn't have that safety-net to protect their SoS.  They have FSU on the schedule and if FSU completely tanks well then they played a crappy team period.  It is possible (unlikely but possible) that Michigan, Stanford, VaTech, FSU, Cuse, and USC could all finish with 5 or more losses.  That would still be a great list of names on the Irish schedule but it wouldn't be a great group of teams and that would hurt them a lot.  
Per @ohio1317 's post, the potential undefeated P5 Champions are:
ACC:
  • Clemson, or
  • Syracuse, or
  • NCST, or
  • Dook

B12:
  • Oklahoma, or
  • West Virginia

B1G:
  • Ohio State, or
  • Penn State
Pac:
  • Stanford, or
  • California, or
  • Colorado
SEC:
  • Alabama, or
  • Georgia, or
  • Louisiana State, or
  • Kentucky

For now there is still a mathematical chance that Notre Dame could be in a discussion with five undefeated P5 Champions for the four CFP spots.  As long as there are three or less, Notre Dame is a lock if they go undefeated.  

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #100 on: September 27, 2018, 04:04:55 PM »
Duke, West Virginia, Colorado and Kentucky are all undefeated along with Notre Dame. 


Who gets left out?
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #101 on: September 27, 2018, 04:08:30 PM »
Duke & Kentucky just because of their hardcourt success
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #102 on: September 27, 2018, 04:16:51 PM »
Duke, West Virginia, Colorado and Kentucky are all undefeated along with Notre Dame.


Who gets left out?
Definitely not Notre Dame.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #103 on: September 27, 2018, 04:21:10 PM »
I'd say Dook. 

Notre Dame would bring the "Acc" flavor to the table, and Kentucky would have a win over probably Bama in the Sec Ccg. 
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #104 on: September 27, 2018, 04:54:00 PM »
Duke, West Virginia, Colorado and Kentucky are all undefeated along with Notre Dame.

Who gets left out?
One thing that would be relevant is that it is generally difficult to leapfrog teams without them losing so the current rankings give us a clue:
  • #8 Notre Dame
  • #12 West Virginia
  • #17 Kentucky
  • #22 Dook
  • nr (but first among "others receiving votes so effectively 26th) Colorado
That suggests that it would be Colorado.  

If it were up to me I would base my decision on SoS.  I believe that this would also weigh heavily with the committee.  It would REALLY hurt ND to sit on their hands on December 1 while the other four would likely all be playing (and beating) highly ranked opponents.  

SoS notes for the five:
Notre Dame:
The Irish already have a win over (then) #14 Michigan and they would also have to beat #7 Stanford, VaTech, FSU, Cuse, and USC.  SoS at this point is still up in the air for everybody but that is especially true of Notre Dame because unlike the others they wouldn't get a final chance to impress the voters on CG weekend.  If Michigan, Stanford, VaTech, FSU, Cuse, and USC all completely tank then I could forsee the Irish being left out but obviously that is pretty unlikely.  

West Virginia:
The Mountaineers already beat Tennessee but frankly that doesn't look very impressive right now.  They would, however, probably have the best last two games of the group because their regular season finishes with #6 Oklahoma and then they would have to turn around a week later and play either the Sooners or another high-end B12 team that they already defeated again in the B12CG.  They also have remaining games against #25 TxTech, #18 Texas, and TCU.  

Kentucky:
As SEC schedules go, the Wildcats' is relatively easy because they avoid all of the SEC-W heavyweights.  They already beat (then) #14 MSST and also play aTm.  They also already beat (then) #25 Florida.  The big problem for the Wildcats is that it is entirely possible that neither the Gators nor the Bulldogs will finish ranked.  The Wildcats have the toughest (by ranking) remaining game of the group against #2 Georgia but that is their only remaining scheduled game against a ranked opponent.  Their OOC of CMU, MTSU, Louisville, and and FCS team will not do them any favors.  OTOH, to finish undefeated they would also have to beat the SEC-W Champion in Atlanta in the SECCG.  The SEC-W currently has the #1, #5, #10, and #23 ranked teams so it is extremely likely that Kentucky's theoretical SECCG opponent would be the highest ranked victim of this group of five in the CG's.  Depending on how things go that could still leave Kentucky with a serious deficit of quantity of ranked opponents despite the high quality of their ranked opponents.  

DOOK:
The Blue Devils are in the ACC's Coastal Division (I had to look it up) opposite #3 Clemson.  The only other ranked team in the Coastal is #16 Miami which started the year off with a loss to LSU.  They haven't played a ranked team yet and their only scheduled ranked opponents are the aforementioned Miami and Clemson.  However, to go undefeated they would likely need to beat Clemson twice in three weeks (at Clemson on 11/17 then in the ACCCG on 12/1).  

Colorado:
The Buffaloes are unranked despite being undefeated because their victims so far are a winless Nebraska team, a Colorado State team that is 1-4, and an FCS team.  Next up is winless UCLA!  Colorado's only two scheduled ranked opponents are #11 Washington and #24 California.  

I think Colorado would be the odd team out in this scenario but that is based on a whole bunch of assumptions about how teams will fare down the stretch.  

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #105 on: September 27, 2018, 05:46:28 PM »
A 1 or 0 loss SEC champion is in the playoff in all cases except a rather unlikely occurrence, UK or anyone else.


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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #106 on: September 27, 2018, 05:53:20 PM »
A 1 or 0 loss SEC champion is in the playoff in all cases except a rather unlikely occurrence, UK or anyone else.
The only way I could see a 1-loss SEC Champion left out in the current circumstances would be if the other four P5 conferences and Notre Dame combined to produce at least four undefeated teams.  Even then, the outcry in SECland if the SEC! SEC! SEC! Champion got left out would be deafening.  
It would get worse too because much like last year's snub contributed to the B1G's good bowl record, a snubbed SEC would likely send their best team to play someone else's second best etc such that the SEC would probably have a very strong bowl record.  

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #107 on: September 27, 2018, 05:59:57 PM »
Getting "snubbed" didn't help the PAC bowl record.
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #108 on: September 27, 2018, 06:01:59 PM »
Wasn't that long ago we had an undefeated Auburn left out of the BCS CG.

And it was widely regarded as the right decision, outside of Sec Country. 
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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #109 on: September 27, 2018, 06:24:58 PM »
Auburn had a weak OOC slate, partly not of their own making.  It happened, I was find with it.


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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #110 on: September 27, 2018, 07:05:34 PM »
The only way I could see a 1-loss SEC Champion left out in the current circumstances would be if the other four P5 conferences and Notre Dame combined to produce at least four undefeated teams.  Even then, the outcry in SECland if the SEC! SEC! SEC! Champion got left out would be deafening.  
It would get worse too because much like last year's snub contributed to the B1G's good bowl record, a snubbed SEC would likely send their best team to play someone else's second best etc such that the SEC would probably have a very strong bowl record.  
I haven't been paying much attention, but when's the last time we had 4 undefeated teams from P5 conferences + Notre Dame, left at the end of the season?
When's the last time we had 3?
2?
Of course, I would absolutely LOVE to see it happen, that we had 5 undefeated teams at the end of the year.  I might even watch the CFP if that happened!

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Re: Stirring the Pot
« Reply #111 on: September 27, 2018, 07:40:52 PM »
"except a rather unlikely occurrence, "

That is from my post above.

You can figure out what that occurrence might comprise.

 

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