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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1344 on: June 02, 2023, 09:35:20 AM »
speaking of towing, they have rear cameras that can see around the trailer
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1345 on: June 02, 2023, 09:37:14 AM »
You Towing with an SUV is an interesting question.  

So far the only thing I have needed/wanted to tow with my Dodge
Ram is my 25 ft Ranger Bay Boat. 

About 6800 lbs w Trailer.  My Audi SQ8 suv also tows it easily- 7700 lb. Capacity.  

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« Reply #1346 on: June 02, 2023, 09:39:19 AM »
Max rated towing for a truck is a good bit higher than for any SUV.

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« Reply #1347 on: June 02, 2023, 09:48:16 AM »
Max rated towing for a truck is a good bit higher than for any SUV.
Yes- for sure.  Thankfully for me- the one thing I tow falls well within the range for both. 
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« Reply #1348 on: June 02, 2023, 10:26:15 AM »

speaking of towing, they have rear cameras that can see around the trailer

If you need a rear camera for trailering, you should probably ask your husband to take over those duties.

Yes- for sure.  Thankfully for me- the one thing I tow falls well within the range for both.
Yeah I was fine with my Tahoe (7500 lbs tow rating) when I had the Airstream and my old Cobalt 220 Bowrider.  But when I sold the Airstream and moved up to a larger RV with a slideout, I increased my average trailer weight from about 5,500 lbs wet and loaded for the Airstream, to ~8700 - 9000 lbs for the new trailer.  So that's when I needed to change vehicles.  The max towing I saw for any SUV at the time was ~9,200 lbs and that's just not enough safety margin for me.

My F150 with max towing package is rated at 11,500 lbs and is more than adequate for the job.  And I absolutely love the way the twin turbos handle torque throughout the entire power band. I'd never go back to a straight non-turbo gasser for towing.

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« Reply #1349 on: June 02, 2023, 10:29:52 AM »
If you need a rear camera for trailering, you should probably ask your husband to take over those duties.
Yeah I was fine with my Tahoe (7500 lbs tow rating) when I had the Airstream and my old Cobalt 220 Bowrider.  But when I sold the Airstream and moved up to a larger RV with a slideout, I increased my average trailer weight from about 5,500 lbs wet and loaded for the Airstream, to ~8700 - 9000 lbs for the new trailer.  So that's when I needed to change vehicles.  The max towing I saw for any SUV at the time was ~9,200 lbs and that's just not enough safety margin for me.

My F150 with max towing package is rated at 11,500 lbs and is more than adequate for the job.  And I absolutely love the way the twin turbos handle torque throughout the entire power band. I'd never go back to a straight non-turbo gasser for towing.
Don’t blame you.  That max towing package is sweet!
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« Reply #1350 on: June 02, 2023, 10:34:41 AM »
The best thing about that is 
A)locking rear diff
B) when you are not towing you have a wonderful daily driver that is not noticeably different than a regular F-150.  
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« Reply #1351 on: June 02, 2023, 10:52:24 AM »
The best thing about that is
A)locking rear diff
B) when you are not towing you have a wonderful daily driver that is not noticeably different than a regular F-150. 
Yeah I test drove pretty much everything-- all of the American major 3 brands of pickup in both gas and diesel configurations..  I took each of them off the lot for a private drive without the sales guy, and I grabbed my RV trailer and towed it up and down the worst hill in Austin.

The diesels obviously handle the towing the best, but they all drove like a dump truck when not towing, and since it's my daily driver, I'm only towing maybe 10% of the time, max.  I also disliked the idea of taking on all of the additional maintenance required on diesel trucks.

The standard V8 gas versions of all of the brands were rather anemic.  They struggled on even some of the hills around Austin and it's not like these are the Rocky Mountains or anything.

The one that stood out was the F150 with the 3.5L ecobooost twin turbo.  It drove beautifully on the highway, and was a beast in towing mode up the hills.  And at the time, the F150 Supercrew had the largest cab and several more inches of space in the backseat, compared to the other two brands.  Since this truck is also basically our family car (my wife has a Jeep Wrangler), we need it to be large enough and comfortable enough for our family of 4 plus a dog.

So the F150 ecoboost, was the obvious choice for us.  It's been almost 5 years and I still love this truck.

HOWEVER, I'd still rather tow with an SUV if the option were available.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1352 on: June 02, 2023, 11:36:54 AM »
A turbo also loses less power at altitude if you live out west.

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« Reply #1353 on: June 02, 2023, 11:57:30 AM »
A turbo also loses less power at altitude if you live out west.
Yup.  There's a Youtuber crew online that tests trucks' towing capability going up the "Ike Gauntlet" route, which is an 8-mile stretch of I70 in Colorado that traverses up to over 11,100 feet above sea level.  The turbo charged vehicles do quite well along that route.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #1354 on: June 02, 2023, 12:02:03 PM »
I've mentioned before how much I like being able to accelerate in sixth gear without downshifting in the GTI (aside from being below maybe 50 mph).  The wide torque band is very useful.  I see Ford is going to offer a supercharged V8 in an F150.

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« Reply #1355 on: June 02, 2023, 12:07:00 PM »
I've mentioned before how much I like being able to accelerate in sixth gear without downshifting in the GTI (aside from being below maybe 50 mph).  The wide torque band is very useful.  I see Ford is going to offer a supercharged V8 in an F150.
Hmmm that would be interesting.  How does power and torque response on a supercharger compare to a turbocharger?  I guess there's not really any lag? (although the lag on my twin turbo is minimal, that's precisely why they use two smaller turbos instead of one larger one, so it'll spin up faster).

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« Reply #1356 on: June 02, 2023, 12:32:50 PM »
Hmmm that would be interesting.  How does power and torque response on a supercharger compare to a turbocharger?  I guess there's not really any lag? (although the lag on my twin turbo is minimal, that's precisely why they use two smaller turbos instead of one larger one, so it'll spin up faster).
There is still a bit of lag in most supercharged engines.  Not much but some.  
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« Reply #1357 on: June 02, 2023, 12:37:53 PM »
I've mentioned before how much I like being able to accelerate in sixth gear without downshifting in the GTI (aside from being below maybe 50 mph).  The wide torque band is very useful.  I see Ford is going to offer a supercharged V8 in an F150.
It looks like an aftermarket package you purchase and have installed if you have 21-23 V8.  
I can tell you now that will be a lot faster than the raptor because it will not be made with all the extra weight that goes with offloading packages.

There are supercharger packages available now for Ram and Chevy/GMC- but being offered by the maker (Ford) is a big deal.   Warranties! 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a44068022/ford-unleashes-700-hp-supercharger-f-150/
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