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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19236 on: March 03, 2024, 08:19:13 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/where-did-covid-come-from-new-evidence-lab-leak-hypothesis-78be1c39?st=cunr817i0xvrmtl&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19238 on: March 04, 2024, 07:00:38 AM »
President Trump Is Leading a Once-in-a-Generation Effort to Ensure Americans Have Access to a COVID-19 Vaccine – The White House (archives.gov)

I see a lot of irony in this WH press release.
Where is the irony? 

Trump has long claimed credit to his administration for the vax and is proud of it and hasn’t exactly shied away from that.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19239 on: March 04, 2024, 07:04:52 AM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/where-did-covid-come-from-new-evidence-lab-leak-hypothesis-78be1c39?st=cunr817i0xvrmtl&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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Duh. 

It astounds me that people deny this reality that has been known since almost day one. The shit came from a lab in China.

The simplest explanation is most often the correct one. And the obvious tell that it came from a leak from a lab in China is how the Chinese gov’t reacted. The Chinese gov’t covered it up and went on the attack-deny-til-you-die mode. Tell tale sign #1 they were guilty as sin. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19240 on: March 04, 2024, 07:14:58 AM »
Trump won’t say if COVID vaccines work: ‘Not a great thing to talk about’ as a Republican | The Hill

I notice Trump doesn't like to talk about it for obvious reasons, so I'd opine he shies away from the whole subject.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19241 on: March 04, 2024, 07:22:29 AM »
I view China's response as predictable whether it was a lab leak or not.  I doubt initially they would have known internally.  They had something mysterious spreading rapidly, so they shut cities down trying to corral it, and of course "managed" the news, as they always do.  Even the possibility of a lab leak would need to be suppressed.

If they now KNOW it was not a lab leak they'd still be not wanting to discuss the matter.

And stipulating for the moment it likely did originate in that lab, then the question is whether it was an intentional leak or accidental, and whether the lab modified a virus with intent to spread it or just had one of their modifications leak out.  As I've said, I think it is POSSIBLE it was zoonotic.  I don't think we'll ever know with high certainty it's origins other than starting in China.

And I'm not sure it matters IFF it was accidental.




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19242 on: March 04, 2024, 08:18:05 AM »
in my simple uneducated dirt farmer mind, it appears it was a virus modified in a lab with intentions of possibly using it for evil purposes in the future.  

I think the leak was accidental.

What the Chinese govt did after the leak was intentional.
Allowing infected people to travel internationally to spread to the rest of the world.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19243 on: March 04, 2024, 08:29:18 AM »
I agree at this point the most probable source is that lab and that it was modified therein.  Most probable is of course different from definite.

I'm led to understand that folks fairly routinely modify these things with no bad intent at all to study them.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19244 on: March 04, 2024, 08:39:33 AM »
The CCP got what it wanted out of its intentional spread of Covid.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19245 on: March 04, 2024, 11:18:16 AM »
What the Chinese govt did after th
e leak was intentional.
Allowing infected people to travel internationally to spread to the rest of the world.
As opposed to... Basically imprisoning Westerners in China based on the existence of the thing they want to cover up? 

Yeah, nothing's going to get more public scrutiny on China than a bunch of foreign governments and media sources asking "Why won't China let our citizens come home?"

Even if you put a political calculus spin on it, letting them out increased the likelihood that the virus would sprout up somewhere else and it would be anyone EXCEPT China that got the initial blame--might have even happened in Italy which was the first Western hot spot. 

I mean, nobody is trying to say China's not the bad guy here, but let's think things through rationally. I'm assuming they wanted to try to manage this and cover it up, and it's really hard to cover up an international travel ban. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19246 on: March 04, 2024, 11:20:23 AM »
Ironically, China's economy is said to be hurting now, that might not be cause and effect of course.  It would be interesting to figure which country was hurt the most by COVID.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19247 on: March 04, 2024, 11:23:06 AM »
could have managed it much better by being a bit more honest

like maybe let other governments around the world know that a potentially dangerous virus had accidentally leaked from a lab and they are suggesting no travel for anyone, in China or internationally, until they learn more.

I know that's not what they do or how they go about things, but that's edzachery why they're known as the "bad guy"
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19248 on: March 04, 2024, 11:32:43 AM »
I have no expectation that the CCP would be "honest" about much of anything other than perhaps something that puts them in a good light.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19249 on: March 04, 2024, 01:19:07 PM »
just one very good reason to blame them for COVID
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