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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19208 on: February 21, 2024, 12:07:10 PM »
Well, it's a cold no matter what. Covid is a cold. Some are bad, some are without symptoms, or minimal symptoms.

I tell my employees that if they are sick, stay home. If you can get out of something you don't want to do? 

BONUS!!

The CDC has lifted its isolation recommendation, I heard.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19209 on: February 21, 2024, 12:14:21 PM »
We get invited to the symphony practice sessions a few times a year.  We went to one, it was interesting for about 5 minutes.  My wife wants to attend one tonight, which at least has the benefit of an open bar beforehand.  She did say we could leave at half time, if there is one.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19210 on: February 23, 2024, 12:45:47 AM »
The main thing I took from it is that maybe I happen to know a lot more people than everybody else.  Statistically speaking of course.  That and since I lost my dad to COVID I became a little more nosey than in the past and started asking around about people who died.  I think it should have been mandatory to put in the obituary if somebody died with COVID or not, so that the average person would know who for certain who died with COVID.  Maybe not mandatory, but it should have been encouraged.  My mom wouldn't let me put it on my dad's obit ( I wrote it) but if it had been up to me I would have simply as a warning that COVID was not all make believe. 

I'd like to talk to some of the health professionals who were in COVID wards tell their side.  There has been some stuff trickle out but not really much. 
I kept a list of all the people who I knew or knew of that died from COVID, got up to about 18 as I recall including my dad and my uncle.  Most were older and in poor health, some were young (49 was the youngest). 

Yeah, and I don't know what you do, but having heard you mention having clients coming into your office on a regular basis and from context it sounds like a "professional services" type of job--law, finance, accounting, etc...

If so, you might see a lot more people on any given day than I do.

I suspect we're outliers on the opposite ends of the "interacting with people" spectrum so you have a wider group to be exposed to.
I don't know a lot of people. I am a lawyer, and sole practitioner in small town Iowa. After COVID-19 I posted a sign on my front door, "By appointment only." It made me much more efficient because in a small town everyone just drops in and talks and interrupts the flow of work. Most days I don't see a client in my office. I get most information I need over the phone.
I was acquainted with 12-13 people who died from COVID-19 despite the fact I really don't associate with many people. Many of them were people I was acquainted with, years ago.
The first person in the State of Iowa who died from it was in my high school class, and grew up 3-4 blocks away. Two former clients in their 50s died from it. A current client early 70s who stopped in my office 3-weeks b-4 his death entirely healthy died from it. The others were elderly, but they otherwise would have lived out their natural lives.
All said, I haven't known anyone in over 1-year who died from COVID-19. I haven't worn a mask since I flew down to Tucson for my dad's funeral in June 2023, and before that I wore a mask to say goodbye to dad in March/April 2023 because he was stricken with leukemia and treating for it. 
I think wearing an N-95 mask in crowded places regardless whether it is for protection from COVID-19, or something else, is  prudent.
In 1991, 2,500 people went through the line for my mother-in-law's wake after she died in a motor vehicle accident. A lot of us were sick afterward. Twenty-Two years later my father-in-law died, and 1,200 came through the line for him. Many of us were sick afterward. Probably from hand touching; maybe from breathing everyone's air. We didn't have or think about masks then. We should think more about the elements of close contact that spread illness. Stay home when you are sick is Job #1.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19211 on: February 23, 2024, 07:47:11 AM »
I don't know anyone personally who died of COVID.  I know two folks who were in intensive care.  

Neither of us have been very sick with COVID, I never tested positive.  If I had it, it was unnoticeable.  I thought maybe I had it earlier this week, but I'm fine now.

I've heard an entire range of symptoms from folks who had it, unlike a regular cold that usually starts with a sore throat and progresses to conjestion and some coughing and then getting better.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19212 on: February 29, 2024, 08:11:42 AM »
Where Did Covid Come From? - WSJ

In the four years since the SARS-CoV-2 virus was unleashed on the world, data have steadily accumulated supporting the hypothesis that it emerged from a laboratory. The latest information, released last month, makes a formidable case that the virus is the product of laboratory synthesis, not of nature.
This startling fact will probably take some time to sink into the national consciousness, given the mainstream media’s sustained inability to report the issue objectively. Editors have failed to think beyond the extreme politicization that requires liberals to oppose the lab-leak hypothesis. Science journalists are too beholden to their sources to suspect that virologists would lie to them about the extent of their profession’s responsibility for a catastrophic pandemic.
Here are some salient facts that haven’t been clearly reported to readers of the mainstream press:
In March 2018 a team of American and Chinese virologists applied to the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, known as Darpa, seeking a $14 million grant to manipulate viruses related to SARS-CoV-1, the bat virus that caused a minor epidemic in 2002. Their goal was to identify bat viruses in Asia with the highest potential for jumping to people and to immunize bats so they wouldn’t infect soldiers in the region.
The proposal for Project DEFUSE specified that the viruses’ infectivity would be enhanced by inserting into them a genetic element known as a furin cleavage site. Depending on the starting viruses, this protocol could have produced SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, which has a distinctive furin cleavage site.



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19213 on: February 29, 2024, 08:12:22 AM »
In 2022 three biologists, Valentin Bruttel, Alex Washburne and Antonius VanDongen, guessed that if SARS-CoV-2 had been generated in a lab by a standard method, it would have been assembled from six sections of lab-synthesized DNA with the help of a biological agent called BsmBI. On analyzing the virus’s structure, they found evidence for the seams between sections and other distinctive marks of the assembly process.
Their paper was derided as “kindergarten molecular biology” by the virologists who are favorites of the mainstream press for their opposition to the lab-leak hypothesis. But a batch of documents reveal new details about the DEFUSE proposal and confirm that the three authors were on target. Emily Kopp of U.S. Right to Know obtained the documents through a Freedom of Information Act request from the Interior Department, having noticed that a researcher at the U.S. Geological Survey was a member of the DEFUSE team.

The new documents, which are background planning papers and drafts for the DEFUSE proposal, call for assembling SARS-like viruses from six sections of DNA, and include a cost estimate for purchase of the BsmBI restriction enzyme—exactly as the three authors had inferred. This clearly strengthens, perhaps conclusively, their contention that the virus is synthetic. Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University, says it raises “to the level of a smoking gun” the genetic evidence that the virus was manufactured.
Other strong indicators of the virus’s laboratory birth include the furin cleavage site, possessed by none of the other more than 1,500 members of its viral family with which in nature it might swap genetic material. The codons—“words” used by the genetic code to specify the units of proteins—that define the cleavage site are those preferred by humans, not coronaviruses, pointing to their likely origin in a lab kit. And whereas most viruses require repeated tries to switch from an animal host to people, SARS-CoV-2 infected humans out of the box, as if it had been preadapted while growing in the humanized mice called for in the DEFUSE protocol.
The authors of the proposal were a team led by Peter Daszak of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York, Shi Zhengli of the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Ralph Baric of the University of North Carolina. Although Mr. Baric is the leading expert on the technology, Mr. Daszak intended for much or most of the work to be done in Ms. Shi’s laboratory, despite giving a different impression to Darpa. He writes in the recently discovered documents that “I do want to stress the US side of this proposal so that DARPA are comfortable with our team. Once we get the funds, we can then allocate who does what exact work, and I believe that a lot of these assays can be done in Wuhan.”
Ms. Shi did most of her work with SARS-type viruses in the minimal-containment condition known as BSL2, whereas Mr. Baric, who regarded the viruses as seriously dangerous, worked in a more secure lab known as BSL3. Mr. Daszak noted that the lower-security labs would save money: “The BSL-2 nature of work on SARSr-CoVs makes our system highly cost-effective relative to other bat-virus systems.” Mr. Baric replied to this comment that the viruses might be grown under BSL2 safety conditions in China, but “US researchers will likely freak out.”
Mr. Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance last year asserted that the DEFUSE project was never implemented: “The proposal was not funded and the work was never done, therefore it cannot have played a role in the origin of COVID-19.” But science is a competitive business. After Darpa turned down the DEFUSE proposal in February 2019, the researchers in Wuhan might have secured Chinese government funding and gone ahead by themselves. Viruses made according to the DEFUSE protocol could have been available by the time Covid-19 broke out, sometime between August and November 2019. This would account for the otherwise unexplained timing of the pandemic along with its place of origin. (Mr. Daszak, Mr. Baric and Ms. Shi didn’t respond to emails seeking comment. Chinese officials have demanded that the U.S. “stop defaming China” by raising the possibility of a lab leak.)



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19214 on: February 29, 2024, 09:19:07 AM »
From day 1 I said it was engineered, and purposely released by the CCP.

They got what they wanted out of it.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19215 on: February 29, 2024, 09:37:42 AM »
I'm still unconvinced we'll ever know with much certainty its origins.  The evidence for any theory is pretty sparse.

Even if it was modified by humans, which is very possible, there is still the question as to whether it was an accidental or intentional release with purpose.  Is struggle with the logic of the latter possibility.

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« Reply #19216 on: February 29, 2024, 10:08:18 AM »
The logic is simple in my mind.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19217 on: February 29, 2024, 11:59:05 AM »
The logic is simple in my mind.
Had China been more cooperative and shut down departures and entrances at the start we might feel different

But as the saying goes if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck most of the time its a duck
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19218 on: February 29, 2024, 12:09:35 PM »
I personally think several possibilities are logical and consistent with what little evidence we have that is reliable.  I tend not to infer to much from unclear or negative evidence.  That has bit me a few times.

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« Reply #19219 on: February 29, 2024, 12:27:51 PM »
The CCP's actions and inactions, to me, speak volumes.
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« Reply #19220 on: February 29, 2024, 09:13:58 PM »
that and their history of being asshats with zero empathy for loss of human life and human suffering
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #19221 on: March 01, 2024, 07:26:20 AM »
One can certainly infer something by their (in) actions, no doubt.  But there could be reasons for that other than just trying to hide the source.  They tend to hide a lot of things.  And of course, even if this was a lab leak (which does seem very possible), there are several ways that could have happened, some without malice, just incompetence.  The worst case is that this was designed with intent and released with intent, and I personally think that is less likely than other possibilities.


 

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