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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18970 on: August 03, 2023, 11:35:43 AM »
“Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus,” the authors wrote in February.
Yet a trove of recently published documents reveal that Andersen and his co-authors believed that the lab leak scenario was not just possible, but likely.


Both can be true, or false, or either.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18971 on: August 03, 2023, 11:46:19 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2023, 11:35:43 AM
“Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus,” the authors wrote in February.
Yet a trove of recently published documents reveal that Andersen and his co-authors believed that the lab leak scenario was not just possible, but likely.


Both can be true, or false, or either.
they both cant be true

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18972 on: August 03, 2023, 11:47:28 AM »
Sure they can.  The article claims the virus was not modified by humans.  That could be true, and it still could have escaped from the lab as a natural zoonotic unmodified virus.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18973 on: August 03, 2023, 11:57:03 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2023, 11:47:28 AM
Sure they can.  The article claims the virus was not modified by humans.  That could be true, and it still could have escaped from the lab as a natural zoonotic unmodified virus.
what a coincidence

the virus in the lab that was not made by man excapes from a human controled environment

how many other viruses in that lab were man made which did not excape

this plus the fact that prior to being put in the lab it was out in public but with no big pandemic

only when the not made by man virus escaped from the lab did the pandemic start

plus they have never been able to fins another animal having this virus naturally that we know of


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18974 on: August 03, 2023, 12:04:05 PM »
I believe it was created in a lab and have for 3+ years.

How it got out is in question.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18975 on: August 03, 2023, 12:04:56 PM »
One can infer this or that, I merely point out that the two statements can both be true.  Whether they are or not is not determined in my mind.

It is plausible, I think, they were studying this virus and workers contracted it and then spread it around the city.  It's also possible someone brought them bats infected with it, and those folks spread it.
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« Reply #18976 on: August 03, 2023, 12:55:13 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2023, 12:04:56 PM
One can infer this or that, I merely point out that the two statements can both be true.  Whether they are or not is not determined in my mind.

It is plausible, I think, they were studying this virus and workers contracted it and then spread it around the city.  It's also possible someone brought them bats infected with it, and those folks spread it.
again if this arrived through infected bats why cant we find another infected bat

the infected bat story is just a made up story China uses to save face

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18977 on: August 03, 2023, 01:01:26 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2023, 12:04:05 PM

How it got out is in question.

Well we know it leaked.  I guess you're asking, was it accidental or intentional?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18978 on: August 03, 2023, 01:03:25 PM »
These bats are said to have come from a remote area in China.  I don't know how hard anyone looked for more of them, it sounds a bit dangerous to me.  But bats are known to harbor corona viruses.  Most of this stuff to me is inference, and opinion, not evidence based facts, because the Chinese haven't been very forthcoming.

I think virologists SHOULD be able to assess whether this was modified or not, and their balance of opinion seems to be it was not.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18979 on: August 03, 2023, 01:46:52 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 03, 2023, 01:01:26 PM
Well we know it leaked.  I guess you're asking, was it accidental or intentional?
Yep.

And even if was an accident, the CCP did nothing to stop it from spreading. 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18980 on: August 03, 2023, 01:52:12 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 03, 2023, 01:01:26 PM
Well we know it leaked.  I guess you're asking, was it accidental or intentional?
How do we KNOW it leaked?  Is there hard evidence for that, or just supposition and inference?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18981 on: August 03, 2023, 01:55:32 PM »
Hiltzik: Another finding that COVID didn't come from a lab - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
Hiltzik: Another finding that COVID didn't come from a lab - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

If you think that the conspiracy folks would be satisfied with the report’s conclusion that there’s nothing to their claims, think again. As soon as the four-page document was released, they were grousing that the intelligence agencies must be part of a continuing global cover-up and that their failure to come completely clean violated the law.

This could well be highly biased, I dunno, but to say we KNOW it leaked from the lab is, to me, unjustified.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18982 on: August 03, 2023, 02:17:05 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2023, 01:52:12 PM
How do we KNOW it leaked?  Is there hard evidence for that, or just supposition and inference?


Because the CCP says it didn't.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18983 on: August 03, 2023, 02:17:50 PM »
LA times? 

That's where I stopped.
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