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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18956 on: July 31, 2023, 10:56:00 AM »
that's not the feeling I have

if it was I feel like it would have stopped the spread and really reduced the number of cases
Yeah, well let's ask the "experts": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8548286/

Basically says effective against OG, Alpha, and somewhat more limited effectiveness against Delta. It makes sense that as the virus mutates, and the vaccine was based upon earlier variants, it's harder for the body to recognize the changed/mutated strains. 

Of course, Delta was FAR more transmissible than OG or Alpha. So that made it a lot harder...

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The original strain of COVID-19 had a R0 value of 2 and the Alpha, or U.K., variant had a R0 of about 2 to 3.10 The delta variant had a R0 value of 5.11 One source has the omicron variant’s R0 value as 9.12


Something can be effective individually but still not work that well at a population level. The vaccines were hitting the bulk of population coverage (in the US anyway) in the summer of 2021, which was when Delta appeared. 

And then we got to Omicron, which the vaccine is basically useless against when it comes to preventing infection/spread. 

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18957 on: July 31, 2023, 11:14:09 AM »
Something can be effective individually but still not work that well at a population level. The vaccines were hitting the bulk of population coverage (in the US anyway) in the summer of 2021, which was when Delta appeared.
so, it was ineffective at preventing COVID and the spread
so they switched the story and told us it was good at lessening symptoms
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18958 on: July 31, 2023, 11:18:45 AM »
so, it was ineffective at preventing COVID and the spread
so they switched the story and told us it was good at lessening symptoms

You might be slightly unfair

The original vac was not designed for Omicron

Folks kept taking the original vac but still got omicron

fortunately omicron saved our ass cause even though everybody could get it several times over it was much weaker
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18959 on: July 31, 2023, 11:36:57 AM »
so, it was ineffective at preventing COVID and the spread
so they switched the story and told us it was good at lessening symptoms

More that it was quite effective at doing what it was designed to do, which is preventing infection of the variants of COVID it was built to emulate. 

However, then COVID mutated enough (Delta, which arrived well AFTER vaccines were available) that it was no longer as effective at preventing infection. But it WAS lessening symptoms and reducing mortality--which was important as Delta was just as lethal as the earlier strains but much more transmissible. So the vaccine still had value, and the messaging (rightly) changed to reflect its capabilities wrt Delta. 

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« Reply #18960 on: July 31, 2023, 12:17:37 PM »
so, by the time the vaccine came out, the virus had evolved enough that the vaccine was inefficient at prevention

I understand that wasn't the vaccine's fault.
I understand it may have been effective at lessening symptoms.

That's just not the messaging we got.  until later after most folks had taken two shots 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18961 on: July 31, 2023, 12:19:58 PM »
When the vaccine first came out, it was pretty effective against the variant extant at the time.  It MAY have potentiated evolution of the newer variants.  I'd say for 6 months or so it was working as advertized.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18962 on: July 31, 2023, 12:26:34 PM »
so, by the time the vaccine came out, the virus had evolved enough that the vaccine was inefficient at prevention

I understand that wasn't the vaccine's fault.
I understand it may have been effective at lessening symptoms.

That's just not the messaging we got.  until later after most folks had taken two shots
You're missing points of the timeline. 

  • The vaccine came out at the very end of 2020 / start of 2021
  • Rollout was slow, starting with healthcare providers / at-risk groups
  • Rollout ramped up in the spring and by about the end of summer 2021, coverage was pretty high
  • Delta hit the US in summer 2021, not "at the same time" the vaccine came out, but about half a year later and after most people already had gotten their two shots

I recall summer 2021, after my wife and I both had our vaccines and the world was starting to reopen and we took our first air travel since the start of the pandemic, going to Seattle in July 2021. It was a few weeks after we got back, IIRC, that Delta started spiking hard. 



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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18963 on: July 31, 2023, 02:01:38 PM »
I get it

I just don't remember Fauci or anyone admitting that the vaccine was only good for lessening symptoms after Delta started spiking hard
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18964 on: July 31, 2023, 02:14:48 PM »
I recall folks being pretty upfront that the immunity was dropping and the new variants were resistant.  There was a lot of nonmedically accurate crap being foisted by TV personalities back when.  Still is.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18967 on: August 01, 2023, 04:29:50 PM »
COVID hospital admissions jump in what could be a new norm of summer surges | The Hill


With case numbers and covid deaths being at a minimum the news media needs to spend their time on stuff more important
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« Reply #18968 on: August 01, 2023, 04:59:31 PM »
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18969 on: August 02, 2023, 04:01:13 PM »

https://instapundit.com/598297/#disqus_thread


FOLLOW THE ACTUAL SCIENCE: ‘Caught-Red-Handed’: Scientists Call for Full Retraction of Nature’s Proximal Origin Paper, as Fraud Accusations Mount.

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The paper, whose authors included immunology and microbiology professor Kristian G. Andersen, declared that evidence clearly showed that SARS-CoV-2 did not originate from a laboratory.
“Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus,” the authors wrote in February.
Yet a trove of recently published documents reveal that Andersen and his co-authors believed that the lab leak scenario was not just possible, but likely.


They put politics over science while accusing dissenters of being science deniers.

Why? Follow the money: “To complicate matters further, new reporting from The Intercept reveals that Anderson had an $8.9 million grant with NIH pending final approval from Dr. Anthony Fauci when the Proximal Origin paper was submitted.”



 

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