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Cincydawg · « **Reply #18928 on:** July 24, 2023, 02:12:29 PM »

It's not really different from the old System all that much, in both cases a defendant judged to be a flight risk and/or a danger would be remanded without bail. The only purpose of monetary bail was to ensure the defendant shows up in court. Now that part is gone, if a judge previously ruled the defendant would be remaned, nothing changes. Now folks without much money would be released OR instead of being held if they could not post bail.

So really dangerous defendants will receive the same treatment. It has always bothered me that a poor person could be held in jail without being convicted while a wealthier person posts bail and gets out. As for how this all works, we'll see.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #18929 on:** July 24, 2023, 03:46:18 PM »

so when so many folks fail to appear in court and the system is overwhelmed will folks start the realize that a mistake was made

Cincydawg · « **Reply #18930 on:** July 24, 2023, 03:48:16 PM »

Yes, I'd guess a lot of them will fail to appear. A fair number jump bail, which means the bondsman comes after them rather hard. My guess is if they fail to appear and a bench warrant is issued and they are rearrested, they are remanded.

FearlessF · « **Reply #18931 on:** July 24, 2023, 10:53:36 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on July 24, 2023, 02:05:45 PM

so bank robber A is deemed a danger but bank robber B who ihas a friendly smile is not

the nature of the crime should determine if there is a threat not the judge

so, Judges aren't to be trusted?

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #18932 on:** July 24, 2023, 10:57:10 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on July 24, 2023, 10:53:36 PM

so, Judges aren't to be trusted?

Judges should be dismissed if they're easily identified as far left or far right.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #18933 on:** July 24, 2023, 10:59:35 PM »

Quote from: utee94 on July 24, 2023, 08:52:59 AM

Didn't Pelosi encourage people to get out, mingle, and hug someone in Chinatown? That's actually more dangerous than the quotes from Trump, above.

Which one was the president?

FearlessF · « **Reply #18934 on:** July 24, 2023, 11:00:29 PM »

I'm not concerned with their political views

I just want them to be trusted to set bail accordingly for folks that may or may not appear in court or who might do something stupid or criminal while out on bail

FearlessF · « **Reply #18935 on:** July 24, 2023, 11:02:13 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2023, 10:59:35 PM

Which one was the president?

which one was the elected politician that was hopefully a leader and voice for their people?

FearlessF · « **Reply #18936 on:** July 24, 2023, 11:03:10 PM »

I mean, I KNEW for a fact they were both idiots

but, many dolts believed in either of them and actually voted for them

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #18937 on:** July 24, 2023, 11:05:34 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on July 24, 2023, 11:00:29 PM

I'm not concerned with their political views

I just want them to be trusted to set bail accordingly for folks that may or may not appear in court or who might do something stupid or criminal while out on bail

Yeah, it'd be great if we lived in a world in which their political views didn't affect their decisions at work, but that's not the case.
The UGA LB raped a girl and got 1 year. 2 years, but concurrent.
Betcha a dollar he's a big-time football player and she's black.

FearlessF · « **Reply #18938 on:** July 24, 2023, 11:09:43 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2023, 11:05:34 PM

Yeah, it'd be great if we lived in a world in which their political views didn't affect their decisions at work, but that's not the case.

agreed

it's a shame and a product of our political system and media

847badgerfan · « **Reply #18939 on:** July 25, 2023, 08:07:00 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 24, 2023, 10:57:10 PM

Judges should be dismissed if they're easily identified as far left or far right.

You just got rid of the entire Crook County Circuit.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #18940 on:** July 26, 2023, 09:28:53 AM »

This is from a free NYT feed I get each AM, sometimes it's pretty good, this looks to me like a decent summary:

In the early days of the pandemic, I was speaking to a variety of U.S. intelligence officials who believed that China was hiding the truth of what happened with Covid. They were right: China was.

In the name of safety, Chinese officials ordered that coronavirus samples be destroyed. At best, this hampered the later investigation into Covid’s origins, and at worst it was a sign of a cover-up.

In this context, some of those intelligence officials believed that people were not paying enough attention to the lab-leak theory. They spoke about a history of accidents and safety problems in Chinese labs. Some, including the lab in Wuhan, also had a history of “gain of function” research, which tries to create dangerous viruses so scientists can learn how to combat them before they emerge in the wild.

The problem is that viruses can leak from labs with destructive effects. The 2001 anthrax attacks leaked (purposely) from Fort Detrick, one of the most secure labs in America, and a deadly 1977 flu outbreak likely came from a Soviet lab. (Josh Clark’s “The End of the World” podcast did an episode on near-miss lab leaks.)

These patterns probably helped explain the conclusion that F.B.I. intelligence officials made, with medium confidence, that a lab leak was the most plausible origin of Covid. The Department of Energy also considers the lab-leak theory to be the more likely explanation, at least in part because of the safety protocols in the Chinese labs.

At the end of the Trump administration, the State Department released a piece of intelligence that seemed to bolster the lab-leak hypothesis: In late 2019, a few researchers at the Wuhan lab, known as the Wuhan Institute of Virology, became ill with flulike symptoms.

From the beginning, there were divisions in the U.S. intelligence community. The politics swirling around lab-leak idea made intelligence officers wary of reaching conclusions, for fear of being seen as partisan. Some Republicans had gravitated to the theory, and President Trump pushed it as a way to blame China for Covid. Some Democrats dismissed it as a conspiracy theory with xenophobic overtones.

Still, the lab-leak theory gained traction early in the Biden administration because of the sick Wuhan workers and China’s failure to cooperate with international investigators.

‘Not consistent’

The Wuhan Institute of VirologyHector Retamal/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

But the situation has changed somewhat over the past year.

One development: U.S. intelligence agencies determined that the sick lab workers in Wuhan might not have had Covid. As a recent report explained, “The researchers’ symptoms could have been caused by a number of diseases and some of the symptoms were not consistent with Covid-19.” That report — which is short and easy to read — is nominally neutral. But because it undermined some evidence that the lab-leak advocates had cited, the report had the effect of bolstering the case for natural transmission.

The intelligence community also says there is no evidence that the coronavirus research at the Wuhan lab could have been a precursor to the virus that causes Covid (as the Times Magazine story details).

This information helps explain why five intelligence agencies lean toward the natural-transmission theory. While officials have not explicitly outlined the reasoning, the scientific research tracking the virus’s origins seems to favor natural transmission.

The C.I.A., the nation’s premier spy agency, does not lean one way or the other. Officials say that is because too much evidence has been lost — because of the chaos of the pandemic, China’s destruction of samples and the passage of time.

U.S. intelligence agencies work by stealing secrets from other countries. But American officials said that China did not appear to want to know what caused the pandemic. Some Chinese officials believe the case for natural transmission. Others are less convinced but know that if evidence points to a lab leak, it will be bad for their country. So they have every incentive not to look. If you want to keep a secret, as George Orwell wrote, you must hide it from yourself.

We have to be prepared that we might never know the answer.

Related: “Some contrarians say that it doesn’t matter, the source of the virus. What matters, they say, is how we cope with the catastrophe it has brought, the illness and death it continues to cause,” David Quammen writes in the magazine. “Those contrarians are wrong. It does matter.”

Hawkinole · « **Reply #18941 on:** July 28, 2023, 01:22:07 AM »

I was informed by a client, our local nursing home has an outbreak of COVID-19, again. I didn't know it was circulating around here.
I briefly heard today on NPR's "All Things Considered" that COVID-19 was creeping up, but it was my background noise, so I didn't digest much of the report. I thought I understood the current versions of the virus are not particularly injurious for most, but again, "All Things Considered" was my background noise, today.
Tomorrow, my background noise may be "Ranger Doug's Cowboy Corral."

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