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Topic: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18662 on: March 10, 2023, 08:49:49 AM »
but, are youse guys "experts"?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18663 on: March 10, 2023, 09:06:21 AM »
I'm not, I just read enough to figure the answer is not known, and not knowable.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18664 on: March 10, 2023, 09:08:18 AM »
but, are youse guys "experts"?
Just a guy with common sense, which in some cases is better than being an "expert". Particularly an "expert" who is paid or compelled to come up with the preferred answer(s).
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18665 on: March 10, 2023, 10:18:53 AM »
I think a big part of this is the virus itself which top scientistd have stated looks to be engineered and not natural
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18666 on: March 10, 2023, 10:44:58 AM »
Many "top scientists" say it's not engineered, some do.  We don't know, in my opinion.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18667 on: March 10, 2023, 10:48:34 AM »
SARS-COV-2 as an artificial creation: scientific arguments and counterarguments - PMC (nih.gov)

In conclusion, all these specific features observed in SARS-COV-2 helps scientists to rule out the idea that this pandemic caused by the novel coronavirus is the result of a man-made action that could be either engineered in the laboratory or further created as a bioweapon out of conspiracy. Recent discoveries revealed evidence of the presence of the virus around the world before it emerged in Asia. There is growing evidence of its true origin as a global organism that was waiting for favorable conditions to emerge instead of originating in China. Recent testing of sewage in Barcelona had suggested that the virus may have been present in the Spanish city in March 2019, many months before China identified the pathogen in the city of Wuhan in December 2019. Based on the results available, it is most probably that this is a natural-born virus that emerged from an animal host, most likely a bat, without any direct pieces of evidence about its intermediate host. Nevertheless, researchers are yet to find a definitive answer to which animal serves as an intermediate host for this virus and disease. Besides, questions on the role of SARS-CoV-2 in T cells have been raised, especially with evidence from recent postmortem findings of its preferential impact on CD 4+ and CD 8+ T cells [2426]. Therefore, further studying of all microorganisms is mandatory in order to understand how they evolve, how they live, and how they transmit, which may be the key solution in hindering the spread of COVID-19.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18668 on: March 10, 2023, 10:53:46 AM »
NIH... OK then.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18669 on: March 10, 2023, 11:01:33 AM »
The authors are not affiliated with the NIH.

1.Faculty of Medicine, Quest International University Perak, Ipoh, Perak, Malaysia
2.School of Pharmacy, KPJ Healthcare University College, Nilai, Negeri Sembilan, Malaysia
3.Faculty of Pharmacy, University of Cyberjaya, Cyberjaya, Selangor, Malaysia
4.Biofunctional Molecule Exploratory Research Group (BMEX), School of Pharmacy, Monash University Malaysia, Bandar Sunway, Malaysia
5.Pengiran Anak Puteri Rashidah Sa’adatul Bolkiah Institute of Health Sciences, Universiti Brunei Darussalam, Gadong, Brunei Darussalam
Corresponding Authors: Ching Siang Tan, PhD School of Pharmacy, KPJ Healthcare University College, Lot PT 17010 Persiaran Seriemas, Kota Seriemas, 71800 Nilai, Negeri Sembilan, Malaysia. E-mail: 
ym.ude.cujpk@gnaisct

Long Chiau Ming, PhD. PAP Rashidah Sa’adatul Bolkiah Institute of Health Sciences, Universiti Brunei Darussalam, Tungku Link Rd, Gadong BE 1410, Brunei Darussalam. E-mail: 
ude.htab@gnol.gnim




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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18670 on: March 10, 2023, 11:25:13 AM »
Authors compelled.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18671 on: March 10, 2023, 11:28:12 AM »
Long Chiau Ming
Ching Siang Tan
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18672 on: March 10, 2023, 11:28:45 AM »
Authors compelled.

Just imagine what the "Conflicts:" section at the end of their peer-reviewed papers must look like :72:

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18673 on: March 10, 2023, 11:53:24 AM »
I'm taking an ethics class this term, which involves a bunch of reading and written responses to the reading material.  Some of the papers in this section relate to the pandemic, some of which go back to Dec. 2020.

I'm not sure exactly what a response to this somewhat disjointed and unrelated material might be--hard to find something to focus on when the topics covered in the module are so disparate--but I think it's going to be something along the lines of not believing something just because some academic in a journal said so. 

As relates to the covid pandemic, I've mentioned before I work for a doctor who's our county health authority, so she feeds me all the stuff we are to tell patients when asked.  Her info comes from the CDC, mainly.  I (we've) watched it change throughout the course of the ordeal.  Okay, science nerds do the best they can with what they have at the time, fair enough.  Yet I'm losing track of the number of times old-fashioned common sense concerns and ideas, previously labeled conspiracy theories in the moment, later turn out to have merit.  At the time it was "arguing with the science" or "denying the science" or whatever. 

I see ethical concerns regarding how much news outlets and even the business sector who controls large amounts of people's livelihoods bash people for trying to make their own decisions about their situation and for "not following the science."  It ranges from disingenuous and arrogant (thinking you know it all, right now, without ANY longitudinal studies) to outright dangerous (pretending or truly believing you know something for certain that you just don't) and misinformative (presenting everything as binary black and white, i.e, a "conspiracy theory" may be mostly inaccurate yet it does have merit in some circumstances, i.e., everybody take the vaccine or you deny science but in reality, yeah, turns out some people really should not have it, oops).  Some of the things one of these papers and opinion pieces stump for have now been debunked several times over.  I figure if they're gonna make us all read this stuff and write an ethics-centered response, then I should get to hammer the BS they're having us read. 

Hypothetically, we're only supposed to source class material in our critiques, which I will do, but boy do I have some other sources and ideas to throw at them.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18674 on: March 10, 2023, 12:00:17 PM »
There are a lot of papers out there to read about origins of COVID, all I've seen are at least somewhat ambiguous, at least they give some respect to the other theories.

Ergo, we simply don't know.  Folks reach conclusions like this based on politics and what they wnat to be true, as with many other things.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18675 on: March 10, 2023, 12:00:47 PM »
Good stuff MDT. Sounds like a fun class.
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