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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18410 on: January 28, 2023, 08:33:24 AM »
It's easier in this world to assign blame (or credit) monotonically of course.  Something bad happens, it's the fault of "X".  The fact is, a bad thing usually is the fault of many, or even no one.  But "we" like simply fault assignments.  My team lost because of "X".  It simplifies life, it's too hard to mention A, B, C, D, ..., so it's just focusing on "X".

And of course, when some politician is reviled, it's standard to assign fault to him or her uniquely and ignore anything else that may complicate that picture.  Why are we seeing inflation?  It's the fault of Biden, or Trump, or Pelosi, take your pick depending on how you lean.  Why did Russia attack Ukraine?  Biden's fault, or Trump's, etc.  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18411 on: January 28, 2023, 08:38:47 AM »
the poor sap behind the podium takes credit or blame

mostly blame

very similar to the head coach & QB
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18412 on: January 28, 2023, 08:43:47 AM »
Sure, but we all know how often someone decides who is at fault based on politics, and then finds some rationalizaion for that view.  I note the inflation issue as an example of that.

Opinions on topics like climate change are almost always dictated by one's political leanings.  Reading enough to have a mildly competent opinion on this topic is "too much work" for most, so they rely on the conclusions of others to back up what they simply want to believe.

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18413 on: January 28, 2023, 09:21:32 AM »
I think the biggest mistake was the lockdowns. In particular, closing schools. That set a lot of kids back in a big and bad way - for no good reason, and certainly not based on science.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18414 on: January 28, 2023, 09:24:00 AM »
I read back over a lot of our early postings yesterday.  "We" (and they) just didn't know very much at the time.  Sure, the politicization was unfortunate, but frankly, nobody anywhere handled this remarkably well.  As noted above, COVID was going to do its thing regardless.  We had the myth the vaccine would stop it in its tracks despite many noting the virus would mutate.  We had the early myth you could get it from food and hard surfaces.

As for who would have handled it better, I agree with the above comment that COVID was going to do its thing no matter what "we" did about it beyond perhaps changing the shape of the curve.  Germany was held out as a model to emulate but they have not done well either.  China, well, they did "flatten the curve" for a while.

What I learned I think is to protect the elderly and vulnerable as well as possible and then carry on.
“What I learned I think is to protect the elderly and vulnerable as well as possible and then carry on.”

best summary right there.  And, there were some leaders who DID take that approach despite being vilified by MSM. 
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« Reply #18415 on: January 28, 2023, 09:32:08 AM »
“What I learned I think is to protect the elderly and vulnerable as well as possible and then carry on.”

best summary right there.  And, there were some leaders who DID take that approach despite being vilified by MSM. 
I hope we take that approach next time.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18416 on: January 28, 2023, 09:37:37 AM »
yup, lock down and lock up the folks at high risk

let the healthy others knock down the numbers under the curve

obviously, at the start no one knows who is and who isn't "high risk"

so there's need for caution 
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18417 on: January 28, 2023, 10:15:05 AM »
“What I learned I think is to protect the elderly and vulnerable as well as possible and then carry on.”

best summary right there.  And, there were some leaders who DID take that approach despite being vilified by MSM. 
Problem is many can't admit when they're elderly. A bridge I'll have to cross in 40-50 yrs
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« Reply #18418 on: January 28, 2023, 10:26:29 AM »
Problem is many can't admit when they're elderly. A bridge I'll have to cross in 40-50 yrs
I think it's pretty easy to identify. If you have underlying conditions, stay home. COPD, diabetes, heart disease, things like that.

If you're a healthy 75 y/o without conditions, there wouldn't be limits. If you're 35 with conditions, there are limits.

People need to be allowed to make their own judgements. Mandates backfire.

Many folks are still wearing masks, and I simply could not care less about it. Just don't tell us we have to do so and all's well.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18419 on: January 28, 2023, 11:32:02 AM »
So making demonstrably incorrect statements....meh.
Telling people no to get tested to keep the positive case total artificially low....meh.
Pressuring the CDC to make statements they knew weren't accurate....meh.
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I give up. 
https://www.foxnews.com/media/vaccinations-critics-unearth-initial-anti-vaccine-rhetoric-media-lawmakers

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you should give up.  
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18420 on: January 28, 2023, 11:37:46 AM »
You know how to tell when a politician is lying?

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18421 on: January 28, 2023, 11:43:39 AM »
I think the biggest mistake was the lockdowns. In particular, closing schools. That set a lot of kids back in a big and bad way - for no good reason, and certainly not based on science.
“What I learned I think is to protect the elderly and vulnerable as well as possible and then carry on.”

best summary right there.  And, there were some leaders who DID take that approach despite being vilified by MSM. 
I hope we take that approach next time.
We sure as hell better close the schools if a NOVEL pandemic virus is spreading like wildfire that we know nothing about.  The more accurate statement would be that schools were closed too long or that online learning went on too long.  Schools were closed until the science was known, not in spite of it.  
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The next pandemic virus or bacteria will not necessarily act the same as this one did.  It's a miracle/mystery why it didn't knock out little kids as radically as it did the elderly.  To me, that's what made it a test run for something worse, and we failed.
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A lot of this monday-morning QBing is just ignoring the face that this was a novel virus that we knew fuck-all about initially.  These great ideas you're posting now would have been criminally insane in the first 6-8-12 months (before we KNEW things, not maybe thought we knew things).  
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When it comes to new viral entity:
being cautious + wrong > being cavalier + right
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18422 on: January 28, 2023, 11:45:20 AM »
I guess the Swedes are just smarter than us.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #18423 on: January 28, 2023, 11:51:26 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/media/vaccinations-critics-unearth-initial-anti-vaccine-rhetoric-media-lawmakers

i could post 50 examples in 30 minutes. 
you should give up. 
You're chasing your tail.
I honestly don't want to waste the time to explain why your article is a waste of time.
How about some bullet points:
a - the initial vaccines came out very quickly, and so there was skepticism
b - the hesitation was led by Dems, for political reasons (and they were wrong - this is your point, but there's baggage)
c - it made sense to be skeptical of vaccines that came out so quickly, as they were created by a relatively new/different method
d - once the vaccines proved to be mostly effective/safe, those opinions magically stopped coming from Dems and shifted over to mouth-breathing rural Reps, while clutching their guns and wearing their red, white, and blue undies
e - Trump had fuck-all to do with the way the vaccines were produced
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I do give up.  I give up on you ever seeing the world through untinted glasses. 




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